Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Since Beowulf, apparently, does little research, I do not think the following will suffice. But, for a small starter kit (I do not want to overwhelm Beowulf with too many facts all at once, it seems to confuse him, when it dosen't anger him) I would suggest Beowulf read the statements of causes for secession published by all the seceding states. Read both of Lincolns two Inaugrial Addresses.
This 'should' help to orient Beowulf to to recognize top from bottom and North from South, (I hope)
Since Beowulf, apparently, does little research, I do not think the following will suffice. But, for a small starter kit (I do not want to overwhelm Beowulf with too many facts all at once, it seems to confuse him, when it dosen't anger him) I would suggest Beowulf read the statements of causes for secession published by all the seceding states. Read both of Lincolns two Inaugrial Addresses.
This 'should' help to orient Beowulf to to recognize top from bottom and North from South, (I hope)
I have begun reading THE RISE AND FALL OF THE CONFEDERATE GOVERNMENT by Jefferson Davis (note that is says FALL of the government, and not its surrender, which it never did do, by the way!) and my latest post on the tariff line, in answer to a question, I think, will find my latest efforts there. Chapter X of that book will enlighten enormously on the issue of African Servitude;
BEO-Baby, I do appreciate how full of yourself you are. You got me beat.
You are not a "lost cause" or "confederate Fan" advocate. You are just a person who wants to get a rise out of people. I appreciate it for I to try to get under peoples skin too.
I unlike you do try to use logic or facts not wishful thinking and word play as yourself to get a reaction.
If your logic is truly as distorted as what I have read then what is really as you know it for it is not with the living of this world.
BEO-Baby, I do appreciate how full of yourself you are. You got me beat.
You are not a "lost cause" or "confederate Fan" advocate. You are just a person who wants to get a rise out of people. I appreciate it for I to try to get under peoples skin too.
I unlike you do try to use logic or facts not wishful thinking and word play as yourself to get a reaction.
If your logic is truly as distorted as what I have read then what is really as you know it for it is not with the living of this world.
If your logic is truly as distorted as what I have read then what is really as you know it for it is not with the living of this world.
What?? In English please 5Fish!! lol
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
Since Beowulf, apparently, does little research, I do not think the following will suffice. But, for a small starter kit (I do not want to overwhelm Beowulf with too many facts all at once, it seems to confuse him, when it dosen't anger him) I would suggest Beowulf read the statements of causes for secession published by all the seceding states. Read both of Lincolns two Inaugrial Addresses.
This 'should' help to orient Beowulf to to recognize top from bottom and North from South, (I hope)
Pro-confederates or whatever you wanna call them rarely ever examine these documents too closely. If they did they would know for a fact that all their lost cause mythology is just that... myth. Almost every single one says strait forward "This is about slavery" (paraphrased) or some other such language. They are basically saying that their hometown heroes were
A) a bunch of liars
or
B) Did not know what they were fighting for as much as they do 150 years later.
Its tough to argue historical documents... hence they don't acknowledge them or bring them up in the arguments.
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
Pro-confederates or whatever you wanna call them rarely ever examine these documents too closely. If they did they would know for a fact that all their lost cause mythology is just that... myth. Almost every single one says strait forward "This is about slavery" (paraphrased) or some other such language. They are basically saying that their hometown heroes were
A) a bunch of liars
or
B) Did not know what they were fighting for as much as they do 150 years later.
Its tough to argue historical documents... hence they don't acknowledge them or bring them up in the arguments.
That would describe most I have dealt with quite well.
__________________ Shane Christen
American Legion Post 352
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Lifetime NRA member
3rd MN VI
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery Richmond Examiner editorial August 2, 1864
Mr. Davis, in conversation with a Yankee spy, named Edward Kirk, is reported by said spy to have said, "We are not fighting for slavery; we are fighting for independence." This is true; and is a truth that has not sufficiently been dwelt upon. It would have been very much to be desired that this functionary had developed the idea in some message, or some other State paper… instead of leaving it to be promulgated through the doubtful report of an impudent blockade-runner.… The sentiment is true, and should be publicly uttered and kept conspicuously in view; because our enemies have diligently labored to make all mankind believe that the people of these States have set up a pretended State sovereignty, and based themselves upon that ostensibly, while their real object has been only to preserve to themselves the property in so many negroes, worth so many millions of dollars. The direct reverse is the truth. The question of slavery is only one of the minor issues; and the cause of the war, the whole cause, on our part, is the maintenance of the sovereign independence of these States.…
The whole cause of our resistance was and is, the pretension and full determination of the Northern States to use their preponderance in the Federal representation, in order to govern the Southern States for their profit...[Absolutely...Amen] Slavery was the immediate occasion—carefully made so by them—it was not the cause. The tariff… would have much more accurately represented, though it did not cover, or exhaust, the real cause of the quarrel. Yet neither tariffs nor slavery, nor both together, could ever have been truly called the cause of the secession and the war. We refuse to accept for a cause any thing… than that truly announced, namely, the sovereign independence of our States. This, indeed, includes both those minor questions, as well as many others yet graver and higher. It includes full power to regulate our trade for our own profit, and also complete jurisdiction over our own social and domestic institutions; but it further involves all the nobler attributes of national, and even of individual life and character. A community which once submits to be schooled, dictated to, legislated for, by any other, soon grows poor in spirit;… its citizens, become a kind of half-men, [and] feel that they have hardly a right to walk in the sun.…
The people of Virginia do not choose to accept that position for themselves and for their children. They choose rather to die. They own a noble country, which their fathers created, exalted, and transmitted to them.… That inheritance we intend to own while we live, and leave intact to those who are to come after us.…
It is right to let foreign nations, and "those whom it may concern," understand this theory of our independence. Let them understand that, though we are "not fighting for slavery," we will not allow ourselves to be dictated to in regard to slavery or any other of our internal affairs, not because thatwould diminish our interest in any property, but because it touches our independence.
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Beowulf; the original Lost Cause and I dare say it's modern proponents have one thing in common; a hatred of the United States and they have spent 150 doing their best to harm her.
They have proven for most of that 150 years that truth, honesty and integrity would be put aside for their campaign. They have and will utilize slander, libel, charachter assasination, threats and physical violence to attain their ends.
First I was a staunch supporter of the CS, then I was a supporter of the Lost Cause, then I learned to read.
Unbelievable....this is a moderator!?!?
Anyone who challenges the Northern version of history...
...hates the United States???
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
We Are Fighting for Independence, Not Slavery Richmond Examiner editorial August 2, 1864
A competent assessment of this article before posting it would begin by noting the date. After the Emancipation Proclamation, after British public opinion rallied against the side fighting for slavery. This is nothing more than a desperate, last gasp attempt to try to get British public opinion back.
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