Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Good point you make about the entire state being arrested
(arrest means to STOP, by the way!) for their legislature being arrested for statements (hence the gag order).
We clearly see it two different ways, don't we?
Chambersburg was actually burned in retaliation for Lexington, Virginia. The offer of a ransom was not offered to Lexington. Just the torch.
No one ever addresses the real reason for all these problems between our states; the politicals in Washington City, and the changes they wanted to bring to the Federal government.
I do fault Davis for one thing, however. After the Great Skeedaddle, when Jackson said, "Give me ten thousand men, and I'll take Washington City", we might have saved countless lives by forcing an immediate armistice...
I cannot think it could have gone any worse than it did...
One little 'detail', Battalion, the threat to the physical well being of southerners, was the direct result of secession.
If the southern leaders had not 'Acted' as though they were above the Constitution in the 'first' place; there would have been 'no' threats of any kind to their fellow citizens in the 'second' place.
As in most important questions, the devil is in the 'detail'.
So the Southern leaders -because they seceeded- are responsible for all the illegal and terroristic acts committed by Federal forces?
What a contorted rationale.
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Well Beowulf, the FACT that you are 'unaware' that the Federal government was to EVER have any contact with the civilians of its states, does not, I am sure, surprise anyone else on the board.
The Fugitive Slave Law was a Federal Law that impinged directly on the private citizen of every state.
Any chance of you and others in the South getting together to honor the 400,000 [?] men from the South [mostly Northern transplants and foreigners] who joined the Union to fight against the South and secession? Regimental sized units from every Southern State except South Carolina?
Why?
I know of no honor given by Northerners to those of the North that served the South.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Were there organized military units from Any Northern States fighting for the confederacy???
Copperhead regiments.
No, individuals serving in units organized in the South.
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Expecting the South to honor those that took part in the sacking, looting and burning of Southern towns would be like expecting the North to honor Copperheads.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Battalion, at least 200,000 southern born men served in the US military; you know this as it's been pointed out to you before.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
Dyers lists 732 organizations raised from states of the South. I consider: Alabama (6), Arkansas (17), Florida (2), Georgia (1), Kentucky (80), Louisiana (23),Maryland (35), Missouri (447), Mississippi (10), North Carolina ( 8 ), South Carolina (5), Tennessee (56), Texas (4), Virginia (1), West Virginia (37) & I also add the USCT (186) which brings the total to 918. Now I know some of those never completed being raised and some are invariably counted twice as units sometimes had two seperate designations (which is why I fail to mention the 30 organizations of the Corps de Afrique.) 732 batteries, Regiments and assorted Battalions denied the CS. And add 186 organizations of the USCT bringing the total to well over 900. Hardly insignificant no matter how you want to spin it. 900 units unavailable to the CS that were available to the US.
So lets be generous and say only 200,000 (though the number was likely closer to twice that) served in the US military (we're omitting the Navy) of military age served against the CS. THere is a formula somewhere to figure military age to non military age IIRC it's something like 4 non military to 1 military. One begins to see that the CS was not quite so popular as some would have us believe. I tend to place the CS Army at around 1 million, so in other words one in four southerners of military age served the US instead of the CS. And this number does not include irregulars and other non mustered troops which were anything but insignificant.
A Compendium of the War of the Rebellion by Frederick H. Dyer
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
Well Beowulf, the FACT that you are 'unaware' that the Federal government was to EVER have any contact with the civilians of its states, does not, I am sure, surprise anyone else on the board.
The Fugitive Slave Law was a Federal Law that impinged directly on the private citizen of every state.
Slaves were not citizens. As property, they were involving the Federal government (and the Constitution) by going across state lines...
INTER-state.
If the civilians are not fugitive slaves, they have no need to fear the Federal government in any capacity.
Again, I say, the Federal government must work through the several states in this matter. One of the compromises and one instance where Federal power is invoked to make THE STATES return fugitive slaves...
Citizens in their states have no reason to fear either the general (Federal) government nor any of its Continental armies... as civilians of those states.
ANY Civilians in ANY situation (seceded, state of rebellion, what you will...) who ARE NOT actively sabotaging the army of the 'Union' forces engaged in ANY activity... have no fear of Federal coercion during the
occupation...
At least, before Mr. Lincoln's War, this was the case.
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