Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I agree wholeheartedly with you there, blue. Like I said earlier, there is no statement of recognition by the Pope or by the Vatican's Secretary of State type figure. The wish peace upon the two sections and hope that they will come to a reconciliation. But Pope Pius IX was not going to get involved in any way, it seems from these two dispatches.
__________________ "The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize." George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796
It will live forever in story as the production of the first potentate who formally recognized your official position and accorded to one of the diplomatic representatives of the Confederate States an audience in an established court palace, like that of St. James or the Tuileries.
Question: Who is A. Dudley Mann? The Pontiff says nothing aout recognition, but Mann does. Is he overstepping his authority in his transmittla letter? Or does he know something of the Pope's intentions in praying for peace?
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Never did send them any diplomatic recognition, either, if this letter is all we have as evidence of same.
I recall reading that a South Sea Island king did recognize the Confederacy - no, this is not a joke! I read about it in SEA OF GRAY, about the Shenandoah...must go back and check on the details.
Supposedly this is the only "foreign power" who ever recognized the Confederacy.
But then, what of the Indian nations who allied themselves with the Confederates?
I think a couple of the German city-states recognized the Confederacy. The name Saxe-Coberg comes to mind.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Question: Who is A. Dudley Mann? The Pontiff says nothing aout recognition, but Mann does. Is he overstepping his authority in his transmittla letter? Or does he know something of the Pope's intentions in praying for peace?
Ambrose Dudley Mann was the very first man to ever serve as US Assistant Secretary of State (1853-55). During the Civil War, he sided with the Confederates, and was sent to Europe as one of the first three Confederate Commisioners (with Yancey and Rost, who were later replaced by Mason and Slidell). Since he is a Confederate diplomat, we can be sure he is putting the spin most favorable to the Confederacy on this letter.
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Originally Posted by ole
I think a couple of the German city-states recognized the Confederacy. The name Saxe-Coberg comes to mind.
Someone named Ernst Raven applied to be consul to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha in 1861, but I think that was as a citizen of Texas, not the Confederacy, and I don't think anything came of it. There were several states that recognized the existence of a state of belligerency with the Confederates as one of the belligerents, but I don't think anyone ever granted them actual diplomatic recognition. In 1863, the Confederacy actually expelled the foreign consuls (really, the British and French).
Regards,
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
If he did, that might explain why the situation was FUBAR.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
On the contrary....several....
...that is several lost to the Federal armies (Irish recruits)
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
On the contrary....several....
...that is several lost to the Federal armies (Irish recruits)
Once again, do you have any evidence at all to back this statement up? Or is it simply your bias and desire talking?
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
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