Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I googled Mr. Potter. While he gets points for religious enthusiasm, he is not the first person I would go to for historical scholarship. Or the second.
Last edited by matthew mckeon; 09-03-2007 at 01:35 AM.
I googled Gary Potter as well, and gave up looking way down in the listings, as I consider 10 the maximum for notable. As I see it, the recognition was accorded only in the transmittal letter written by A. Dudley Mann, not by the Pope.
And, if the Pontiff had written, "send your ambassador to sit with me," what difference would have made? Less than Mexico's rejected offer. Which, by the way, was WHAT? On another thread, we might explore what was she thinking?
Or is this simply an exercise in yes they did, no they didn't! If England and, or France didn't recognize the current Confederate flag, it doesn't really matter whether Fiji or Rhodesia or the Vatican did. Much ado about nothing. But it makes fascinating minutia.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
I googled Mr. Potter. While he gets points for religious enthusiasm, he is not the first person I would go to for historical scholarship. Or the second.
Not surprised.
When you have nothing to counter...
...denounce the writer.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
The Yankee doesn't live that would concede in this matter.
They would rather eat rat poison.
I guess it reveals the vainness of the Yankee character.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Mr. Potter's specualtion is riddled with false assertions. For example, Bishop Lynch was appointed to his mission in Richmond on February 26, 1864, wrote to Benjamin in late March as he was preparing to leave for Europe, ran the blockade out of Wilmington in April, was in contact with Confederate commissioners in Paris in early June, left that city and was in Rome at the end of June, 1864. Yet Mr. Potter builds a 'what-if' that asserts the Bishop didn't make it to Rome until "a couple of months before Appomattox" in April of 1865. Either he doesn't know what he is talking about -- or he is deliberately concealing facts to suit his own purpose.
It is evident from your last few posts that *YOU* knew about that before you made the post containing the snippet from Mr. Potter. Yet you present it as if it is proof of something, and do not attempt to warn others of the false statements/inaccuracies/mistakes it contains. Why did you do that?
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
Correspondence to and from Confederate Commissioners in Europe Mason (London).........120 total (6 missing) Slidell (Paris)...............130 “ (4 missing) Mann (Brussels)..........131 “ (15 missing)
Other than his original appointment as Confederate Commissioner no official correspondence to or from Bishop Lynch was ever found.
1) And your point would be what, exactly?
2) Your statement is incorrect. I myself have seen a letter from Bishop Lynch to the Confederate government, written at the end of March, 1864 as he was preparing to leave for Europe, cited in old books. The actual February 26, 1864 appointment you refer to was in the hands of the Charleston Museum last I knew (2004 exhibit).
3) if you are really interested, try finding a copy of Reports of Bishop Lynch of Charleston, South Carolina, commissioner of the Confederate states to the Holy See
by Patrick Neeson Lynch published in 1905.
4) You can also look around for Some wartime letters of Bishop Lynch by Patrick Neeson Lynch, last published in 1957.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
I googled Gary Potter as well, and gave up looking way down in the listings, as I consider 10 the maximum for notable. As I see it, the recognition was accorded only in the transmittal letter written by A. Dudley Mann, not by the Pope.
Confederate Secretary of State Benjamin, regarded as a brilliant man and -- incidentally -- A. Dudley Mann's boss, also thought the recognition was inferred by Mann, not implied by the Pope's letter. Benjamin thought it was meaningless as a result.
Regards,
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
When you have nothing to counter...
...denounce the writer.
Yes, dismissing writers one disagrees with, without engaging their material is a bad, bad thing. It's a practice I hope that you would never engage in.
Mr. Potter is described as a journalist and a Catholic traditionalist advocate by the Benedictine Center he speaks at.
Traditionalists(Mel Gibson is the most famous, but probably not typical), practice the Latin Mass and work and pray for the daythat the entire nation has joined their sect, the only true path to salvation.
This background, although argumented by a stint in drama school in California, indicates that Mr. Potter is well versed in American history? I think not.
Last edited by matthew mckeon; 09-03-2007 at 09:16 AM.
Only Battalion would try to pass off a propaganda piece as though it were a reputable historical source.
It starts off with an outright lie. "His release came after a finding by the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, Salmon P. Chase, that there was nothing in the U.S. Constitution that prohibited the secession of states."
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