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The reason for the increase in captures was the increase of ships involved in the slave trade.
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Originally Posted by trice
Nope. I am sure you know that is false.
No. Not false.
Resolution: "...the African slave trade appears to be rapidly increasing..."
House of Representatives, 26 March 1860
"It is probable, judging from the increased activity of the slave trade and the vigilance of our cruisers, that several similar captures may be made before the end of the year. An appropriation ought, therefore, to be granted large enough to cover such contingencies.
President James Buchanan, Message to Congress, 19 May 1860.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Anyone out there want to look up the history of the schooner Hanover(#13)?
Has anybody got that info yet?
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Bark Orion, Captain Morgan (800 slaves), from New York. Bark Laura (Mexican flag), from New Orleans. Brig Lillie Mills, unknown, from Havana- Schooner Stephen H. Townsend, unknown, from New Orleans. Brig Tavernier, Captain Johnson (520 slaves), from Cardenas. Brig J. Harris, Captain Steele (550 Slaves), from New York. Brig Putnam, Captain Townsend (318 slaves), from New Orleans. Bark Wildfire, Captain Stanhope (507 slaves), from New York. Bark William, Captain Simms (513 slaves), from Mobile and Havana. Bark Wm. G. Lewis (Bogota), Captain Faulkner (411 slaves), from New York. Yacht Wanderer, landed her slaves on the U. S. coast.
Tim
Some clarification-
Bark Orion, Captain Morgan (800 slaves), from New York.
Bark Laura (Mexican flag), from New Orleans. "Cleared from New Orleans by a Spanish firm...owned in Havana, Cuba"
Brig Lillie Mills, unknown, from Havana-
Schooner Stephen H. Townsend, unknown, from New Orleans.
Brig Tavernier, Captain Johnson (520 slaves), from Cardenas.
Brig J. Harris, Captain Steele (550 Slaves), from New York.
Brig Putnam, Captain Townsend (318 slaves), from New Orleans. "Owned by a Portuguese firm in New York."
Bark Wildfire, Captain Stanhope (507 slaves), from New York.
Bark William, Captain Simms (513 slaves), from Mobile and Havana. "Cleared from Havana. Owned by a Spaniard."
Bark Wm. G. Lewis (Bogota), Captain Faulkner (411 slaves), from New York.
Yacht Wanderer, landed her slaves on the U. S. coast.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
All you have to do is google-in- "schooner," "Hanover" and "Retribution".....that's all you have to do.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
All those ships captured with slaves on them.. what happens to the slaves?
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
Will take a haymaker at that, Dred. Much depended on where the ships were caught. If close to Africa, they were taken to a camp/colony set up to receive them. No attempt was made to return them to their actual homes. (Suspect you can see the impossibility of doing that.)
Ships caught in this hemisphere were sometimes taken to Haiti, sometimes Central America, and sometimes to the states (Ft. Taylor comes to mind) from whence they were sent to Caribbean, Central and South American countries.
The government refused to accept ownership of the Africans and did very little to see to their welfare after they were dumped in a non-slave country or island.
Will hope that others will know more about their fate. One doesn't often read about what happened to them.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
All those ships captured with slaves on them.. what happens to the slaves?
You have to look individually to find out, ship by ship, in most cases. However, in the Buchanan administration, Buchanan caused an uproar by pushing through a $30,000 appropriation to send the slaves captured on the Echo back to Africa through the Colonization Society (i.e., to Liberia) and to pay for their support for 1 year. That was in early 1859.
Slaves freed from slavers captured by the 4 ships patrol off Cuba in late 1859 and 1860 were brought into Florida for repatriation to Africa.
When the Confederacy formed, Jeff Davis actually vetoed their new Slave Trade law because it would have allowed the government to sell the "freed" slaves at auction if it could not return them to Africa.
Regards,
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
Bark Orion, Captain Morgan (800 slaves), from New York.
Bark Laura (Mexican flag), from New Orleans. "Cleared from New Orleans by a Spanish firm...owned in Havana, Cuba"
Brig Lillie Mills, unknown, from Havana-
Schooner Stephen H. Townsend, unknown, from New Orleans.
Brig Tavernier, Captain Johnson (520 slaves), from Cardenas.
Brig J. Harris, Captain Steele (550 Slaves), from New York.
Brig Putnam, Captain Townsend (318 slaves), from New Orleans. "Owned by a Portuguese firm in New York."
Bark Wildfire, Captain Stanhope (507 slaves), from New York.
Bark William, Captain Simms (513 slaves), from Mobile and Havana. "Cleared from Havana. Owned by a Spaniard."
Bark Wm. G. Lewis (Bogota), Captain Faulkner (411 slaves), from New York.
Yacht Wanderer, landed her slaves on the U. S. coast.
When I pointed out to you that the Portuguese were the biggest players in the Atlantic slave trade and frequently made use of American flags-of-convenience for protection from the British slave patrols, you cast scorn upon the idea. Naturally, since the British did not seize US flag vessels as they did others, the criminals flocked to US ports to find ships. They set up companies there and found unscrupulous Americans to work with them and serve as fronts/partners. This is well known. It is also the sort of normal evasion to be expected from criminals involved in the smuggling and piracy trades.
So what is your point?
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
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