Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Why does the government that is supposedly against slavery (the "slave-power")...allow its citizens to engage in a legal slave trade?
If that isn't the silliest thing I've ever heard, it will do until the real one comes by. "Allow" is the keyword. You might say that our more recent administrations allow illegal drugs and immigration.
As for the coolies: It's my understanding that most importation was done legitimately and that the orientals themselves took up the reins and made something of themselves--much like the Irish. It also follows that some of the coolies were victimized. I'd be amazed if none were. Welcome to the human race.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
In "A Battle From the Start" the Forrest bio by Bryan Steele Wills, Forrest was considering(after the war) replacing his African American farmworkers with Chinese immigrants, but nothing came of it.
The problem with the thread title is apparently(according to the previous posting by OpnDownfall), it wasn't legal, and at least as far as the United States was considered, it wasn't slavery.
The problem with the thread title is apparently(according to the previous posting by OpnDownfall), it wasn't legal, and at least as far as the United States was considered, it wasn't slavery.
That's strange.
What was the purpose of the laws passed in 1862 and 1869?
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
As for the coolies: It's my understanding that most importation was done legitimately and that the orientals themselves took up the reins and made something of themselves--much like the Irish. It also follows that some of the coolies were victimized. I'd be amazed if none were. Welcome to the human race.
ole
Sure you want to stick with that?
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
That's strange.
What was the purpose of the laws passed in 1862 and 1869?
What do you say it was?
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
I think the snippets prove that it was illegal to import Coolies as slaves into the USA, AND not only chinese, but any orientals.
The issue of the legality of slavery in the USA was, at the time, (1862) still being settled. Apparently, the legality of oriental slaves was being settled at the same time; perhaps even a little, Before that of the southern slaves.
P.S. Slavery was legal in every state of the Union, Because of the ruling of Justice Taney in the Dred Scott Decision. The snippets indicate a consistent and ongoing resistence to anymore slavery in the USA.
Just thought you might like to know how some in the South felt about the "Coolie" question.
Quote:
"In 1854 the [Charleston] Mercury enthusiastically raised [Leonidas W.] Spratt's banner (Spratt advocated the reopening of the African slave trade).
But in April 1857 it expressed doubts about the possibility of reopening the [African slave] trade and suggested instead the importation of coolies. Coolie laborers were cheap and could work "like the negro on Southern plantations."
From the book, A Pro-Slavery Crusade, The Agitation to Reopen the African Slave Trade, by Ronald T. Takaki, chapter five, The Loyal Opposition, pg. 104.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Just thought you might like to know how some in the South felt about the "Coolie" question.
Quote:
"In 1854 the [Charleston] Mercury enthusiastically raised [Leonidas W.] Spratt's banner (Spratt advocated the reopening of the African slave trade).
But in April 1857 it expressed doubts about the possibility of reopening the [African slave] trade and suggested instead the importation of coolies. Coolie laborers were cheap and could work "like the negro on Southern plantations."
"Some" is definitely the key word.
I don't believe that idea caught on.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
New York Times, 27 September 1861
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