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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Battalion Click here to enlarge
    And over 50% in March 1861?!
    Let's see a credible source first.

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    Who do you think helped outfit those ships for the Sumter expedition?
    I'll bite. Who?
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    As usual, the use of false premises' by neo-confederates.
    The 'valuable southern trade' without which the mercantile markets of New England and the Middle States that would be ruined, if lost, was a popular myth of fat-cat slave owners, who though the world revolved around them and their slaves; Before The War.
    But did the North, who found it little trouble to destroy slavery and 'that magnificent trade'(that the North could not do without) at the same time?


    P.S. The fact is, If money, power, domination etc., were the cause of the CW, then. all those attributes were most concentrated and most vehemently defended by the slave-owning oligarchy, which they confessed, by their words and actions, that they valued their slaves more hjighlly than the Union.

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by OpnOlympic Click here to enlarge
    P.S. The fact is, If money, power, domination etc., were the cause of the CW, then. all those attributes were most concentrated and most vehemently defended by the slave-owning oligarchy, which they confessed, by their words and actions, that they valued their slaves more hjighlly than the Union.
    That could well be why they received the 2nd Place trophy at war's end. It was a bit more complicated than that, but your basic point is more or less sound.
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    "A civil war, the calamitous results of which God can only estimate, has been precipitated upon the country by what has been called 'the uprising of the North.' Manufacturers alarmed at the opened ports of the Southern Confederacy, have demanded suppression of the rebellion, and contributed largely to the war. Rich capitalists, fearing the loss of monopoly, have demanded a strong government. Men of large wealth, with their dependent churches and clergy, have seen their incomes reduced, and their salaries abridged, prospectively, and uttered a unanimous cry against treason and rebellion. Thus pro-slavery divinity, aristocratic wealth, and popular prejudice with abolition credulity, speaking through the popular press, have united their strangely contradictory influence to plunge the nation blindfold into the vortex of civil war and national ruin."

    The Liberator, 15 November 1861
    POWER & MONEY

    "The brokers of the Empire City are furious at the prospect of seeing their lucrative trade diverted to Charleston or New Orleans, and carried on with English capital. The lust of money has had ten times more to do with the sudden patriotism of the North than their love of liberty."

    London Morning Herald, 1861

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    Click here to enlarge Originally Posted by Battalion Click here to enlarge
    "A civil war, the calamitous results of which God can only estimate, has been precipitated upon the country by what has been called 'the uprising of the North.' Manufacturers alarmed at the opened ports of the Southern Confederacy, have demanded suppression of the rebellion, and contributed largely to the war. Rich capitalists, fearing the loss of monopoly, have demanded a strong government. Men of large wealth, with their dependent churches and clergy, have seen their incomes reduced, and their salaries abridged, prospectively, and uttered a unanimous cry against treason and rebellion. Thus pro-slavery divinity, aristocratic wealth, and popular prejudice with abolition credulity, speaking through the popular press, have united their strangely contradictory influence to plunge the nation blindfold into the vortex of civil war and national ruin."

    The Liberator, 15 November 1861
    I can quote from the Liberator too. However, I will cite the entire article so all of it can be accessed.

    The War—Its Cause and Cure
    William Lloyd Garrison
    May 3, 1861

    "Out of the slave system comes this terrible civil war, with whatever ghastly horrors may follow in its train. So Divine Justice has ordered it, that both North and South may be scourged for their transcendant [sic] iniquity in tolerating such a system in the land. Is it not so, Mr. Edward Everett, Mr. Millard Fillmore, Mr. Franklin Pierce, Mr. Stephen Arnold Douglas—Democrats and Republicans all? Say, are they freemen or slaveholders who have perfidiously captured forts, arsenals, magazines, mints, revenue cutters, steamships, and custom-houses, and are now plotting the seizure of the Capital? Men of the North! is it not your mission, in this campaign, to make it possible for a free government and a glorious Union to exist, by decreeing the extinction of slavery as utterly antagonistical to both? No class of human beings living have such claims upon your sympathy, justice, and benevolent intervention, as the slaves of the South. No cause is so sacred as theirs. In Heaven’s name, do nothing to keep them longer in their chains! Do everything rightfully in your power those chains to sunder!"

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    I believe many americans went to war over slavery,and rightly so,I do have to agree economics played a large part.I think good evidence of how our society obstructs many, or all rights, when it comes to money is the enslavement of the Aluets ,by the Interior Dept.,for a hundred years or so.
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