Tariffs on the South

[partssman]

Alright per request we'll start over here.

I said that taxes and tariffs played a part in the start of the war.

seems to be some smart folks here, so I'll be the student this time and y'all the teacher(s)

Us jump in and see what happens.

Oldblue, the ol man from Carolina always has plenty of ammo




1. TARIFF--Prior to the war about 75% of the money to operate the Federal
Government was derived from the Southern States via an unfair sectional
tariff on imported goods and 50% of the total 75% was from just 4 Southern
states--Virginia-North Carolina--South Carolina and Georgia. Only 10%--20%
of this tax money was being returned to the South. The Southern states were
being treated as an agricultural colony of the North and bled dry. John
Randolph of Virginia's remarks in opposition to the tariff of 1820
demonstrates that fact. The North claimed that they fought the war to
preserve the Union but the New England Industrialists who were in control of
the North were actually supporting preservation of the Union to maintain and
increase revenue from the tariff. The industrialists wanted the South to pay
for the industrialization of America at no expense to themselves. Revenue
bills introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives prior to the War
Between the States were biased, unfair and inflammatory to the South.
Abraham Lincoln had promised the Northern industrialists that he would
increase the tariff rate if he was elected president of the United States.
Lincoln increased the rate to a level that exceeded even the "Tariff of
Abominations" 40% rate that had so infuriated the South during the 1828-1832
era ( between 50 and 51% on iron goods). The election of a president that
was Anti-Southern on all issues and politically associated with the New
England industrialists, fanatics, and zealots brought about the Southern
secession movement.

[trice]

Originally Posted by partssman

Alright per request we'll start over here.

I said that taxes and tariffs played a part in the start of the war.

seems to be some smart folks here, so I'll be the student this time and y'all the teacher(s)

Us jump in and see what happens.

Oldblue, the ol man from Carolina always has plenty of ammo




1. TARIFF--Prior to the war about 75% of the money to operate the Federal
Government was derived from the Southern States via an unfair sectional
tariff on imported goods and 50% of the total 75% was from just 4 Southern
states--Virginia-North Carolina--South Carolina and Georgia. Only 10%--20%
of this tax money was being returned to the South. The Southern states were
being treated as an agricultural colony of the North and bled dry. John
Randolph of Virginia's remarks in opposition to the tariff of 1820
demonstrates that fact. The North claimed that they fought the war to
preserve the Union but the New England Industrialists who were in control of
the North were actually supporting preservation of the Union to maintain and
increase revenue from the tariff. The industrialists wanted the South to pay
for the industrialization of America at no expense to themselves. Revenue
bills introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives prior to the War
Between the States were biased, unfair and inflammatory to the South.
Abraham Lincoln had promised the Northern industrialists that he would
increase the tariff rate if he was elected president of the United States.
Lincoln increased the rate to a level that exceeded even the "Tariff of
Abominations" 40% rate that had so infuriated the South during the 1828-1832
era ( between 50 and 51% on iron goods). The election of a president that
was Anti-Southern on all issues and politically associated with the New
England industrialists, fanatics, and zealots brought about the Southern
secession movement.

Generally speaking, New England and New York industrialists had no interest in raising the tarriff other than to provide revenue to pay off the massive debt and deficit the Buchanan administration had amassed from 1857 to 1860 (done largely while the government was led by Southern interests under Buchanan).

Pennsylvania and New Jersey industrialists did favor a protectionist tariff on iron. (NJ, while traditionally allied with Southern states politically, usually did favor a strong tariff because of the industry in the northeast section of the state.

The rest of the strong Republican support for protective tariffs came from the Midwest. Strangely enough, much of it was from small farmers who thought they could benefit from a protectionist tariff on wool by raising a few sheep.

BTW, a large number of people in the western counties of Virginia also favored a protectionist tariff in the election of 1860. This was because their economy was much closer related to the iron-and-steel of Pittsburgh than to Richmond and the Tidewater, and so they had the same interests as the PA industrialists in many ways.

Regards,
Tim

[samgrant]

We've been down this road before, I think.

Just to refresh our pleasant memories, why don't we revisit the thread titled simply, "Tariffs"

http://civilwartalk.com/forums/showt...hlight=tariffs


Calling Dr. Cash, ... Calling Dr. Cash, ... Is Dr. Cash in the house?

[johan_steele]

http://civilwartalk.com/forums/showt...ghlight=tariff

not a bad thread to educate the masses corrupted by the Lost Cause.

[samgrant]

By the way, Mr. Partssman, I was mighty impressed by your exposition about the Tariff, particularly because there were no misspelled words.

Then I wondered just where that ammo from the ol man from Carolina was coming from.

We here like it alot when folks give sources and/or attributions to their quotations.

Seems you forgot to credit one Mr. James W. King, Commander Camp 141, Sons of Confederate Veterans.

http://www.tehachapinews.com/home/Blog/JamesKing/1389/

http://civilwarmemory.typepad.com/ci..._of_bruce.html

http://www.flatfenders.com/scv/tencauses.htm

et al.

[ole]

Partssman:

Compare the statement you provided with the tariff thread on this board. Then explain, in your own words, using real figures, why you think tariffs were the cause. We can pick it up from there.
Ole