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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 12-03-2006, 05:55 PM
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Default Lincoln out in '64, who is the Republican candidate?

Let's say Abe says, "Forget it! I'm going to Europe with Mary." Alternatively, Abe isn't so lucky at Fort Stevens and a Confederate sharpshooter bags him. Who do the republicans put up as their candidate for the presidency?
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Old 12-03-2006, 09:16 PM
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My guess is that they'd stick with the National Union idea and nominate Andrew Johnson, who was their choice for VP under that concept.
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The Republicans would never have nominated Andrew Johnson as President. Perhaps that is why Johnson had so many problems when he became president.

I would suspect a selection of a member of Lincoln's wartime cabinet, starting with Chase or Seward, followed by a number of U.S. Senators.

Johnson may have been seen as "balancing" the 1864 ticket, but never was seen as a "keystone."
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Default Lincoln out in '64,.........?

I agree; Probably a repeat of Chicago, 1860. The 'more' politiclly adept Seward the front runner with, perhaps, Chase a relatively distant second.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:28 AM
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Anyone consider Grant? Sherman? They were popular in '64.
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Default Lincoln out in '64. who..............?

Grant was approached, but turned it down, very firmly and of course Sherman's opinion of Politics in general and politicians in particular was firmly in place by 1864.
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Old 12-20-2006, 02:02 PM
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Grant had his plate full and wasn't inclined to look for more. Sherman hated politicians almost more than he hated newspaper reporters. It was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion but, had Grant been so inclined, he would have been a shoe-in. Grant vs McClellan? It is to laugh. Americans, then as now, love a winner.
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Old 12-20-2006, 04:29 PM
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My guess,

Chase or Seward. Chase wanted it bad enough, but thought he deserved to be president and would have sat around waiting to be acclaimed to the office.

Seward was the Republican party front-runner, but I wonder how much political support the man had burned up by supporting Lincoln during those first four years.

My other guess is depending on how Lincoln left office, by death or by just quiting. A sudden death might have led to a situation of Stanton getting to take charge or perhaps Wade and his committee on the war. No matter who gets in after Lincoln if he dies, God help the South, as it would be a real total war, not the one most cry about when talking about Sherman's march to the sea.

There would be such resentment and hatred over the harsh treatment of a truly conquered South it would burn in the country's guts for a hundred years.

This country was lucky that Lincoln died after Lee's surrender. If you can call than luck.

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Neil,
By being "lucky" that Lincoln was murdered after Lee's surrender, I am assuming you meant, rather than earlier in the war?
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Old 12-21-2006, 07:20 PM
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Matthew,

Correct.

"The dead are dead--let that atone:
And though with equal hand we strew
The blooms on saint and sinner too,
Yet God will know to choose his own."


Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914), "To E.S. Salomon," who in a Memorial Day oration protested bitterly against decorating the graves of Confederate dead.

"Let us have peace."

U.S. Grant

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