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Ulysses S. Grant, quoted by Carey, Jr., Democratic Speaker's Handbook, page 33 printed in 1868
Could you be more specific on this source? My initial search for it has come up completely empty. Further, if you have it on hand, could you please find where Grant supposedly made this comment. From which source did the Handbook take this quotation?
A former member and dear friend of this board, Connie Boone, who passed away a while ago, had this to say on Grant and slavery and the quote in question.
The thread, Grant, Slavery and Cyber Pitfalls, can be found at this link:
I hope this puts to rest the quote and how 'reliable' it truely is.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
A former member and dear friend of this board, Connie Boone, who passed away a while ago, had this to say on Grant and slavery and the quote in question.
The thread, Grant, Slavery and Cyber Pitfalls, can be found at this link:
I hope this puts to rest the quote and how 'reliable' it truely is.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
Neil, thank you... I spent 45 minutes looking for the thread and never managed to find it.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
Neil:
Thanks so very much for bringing that series of posts to the fore. After almost 3 years, I haven't dug back that far. It is most refreshing to have the eloquent words of so distinguished a member.
Thank you.
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Could you be more specific on this source? My initial search for it has come up completely empty. Further, if you have it on hand, could you please find where Grant supposedly made this comment. From which source did the Handbook take this quotation?
That soure is concerned with Sn Washburn ** Ill asking Grant, and other leading US **ficers, on behalf ** the JCCOTW for his personal views, the committe wanted the mil to endorse its desire to pressure the administarton from a mil perspective to end slavery, it wanted to do so from a ideological stand, but was persuaded that the mil, and general feeling in the Army itself nexpressed through the **ficers brought before the committe, that it would be more in tune with a argument ** mil neccissity.
Accusing people ** being ignorant or uneducated will not get you far on these boards. Neither will trying to prove slavery a moral right.
Facts are facts, if people get upset by them, i am unable to help that.
I have not attempted to show that slvery is/was a moral right, but a legal right to own poperty. Others argued and introdiced the morality, which as any minister will tell is not condemned in the Bible, hence the higher law argument is fatally flawed, being not based on scripture.
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If I may; 21 year veteran ** what? It has been my experiance that those who claim to be a veteran and then call soldiers slaves... well why not get *** after the first 4 years or have I missed something?
Yes quite a lot.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
A former member and dear friend ** this board, Connie Boone, who passed away a while ago, had this to say on Grant and slavery and the quote in question.
The thread, Grant, Slavery and Cyber Pitfalls, can be found at this link:
Incidently, if Christ could forgive a tax collector... who am I to not forgive a slaveowner.
Christ had authority to forgive a sin, sin is a transgresion ** Gods laws, slavery is not procsribed by any ** Gods laws. Slave owners have committed no sin, do not require anyones forgivnes.
Christ also cured a syrio Phoncian women, who was not Jewish, proving his divine authority by that act, but never once condemned slavery.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
The Grant q***e exists in a number ** other works, a bio ** Washburn for instance.
Relaying a probably invented quote in no way proves its authenticity.
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
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