Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
So what, exactly, is your intended point in presenting this quote from McClellan? Are you trying to show us that General McClellan was an arrogant, foolish man who insulted his superiors and courted dismissal for conduct unbecoming to an officer in the US Army, and possible charges of insubordination?....
Tim
Mr. Steeel has posted an item 3 or 4 times with the intent of provoking some response by me.
Mr. Steeel has posted an item 3 or 4 times with the intent of provoking some response by me.
.......Dueling Quotes.....
Mr. Steel has supplied quotes that are relevant to the point under discussion, pointing out what he is trying to show by them. You have supplied items that seem to float in out of the ether, unrelated to the topic or completely unexplained.
If you cannot explain what you mean by supplying these bits of flotsam and jetsam, no one will understand you. That is why you are asked what you mean. Given your answer, it appears you either are unwilling or unable to tell us.
Mr. Steel has supplied quotes that are relevant[?] to the point under discussion, pointing out what he is trying to show by them. You have supplied items that seem to float in out of the ether, unrelated to the topic or completely unexplained.
Actually a far cry from BS is you are replying to Trice. If you are referring to my quotes having nothing to do w/ the situation... how is it BS?
Two of the quotes do not come from prewar though both are appropriate as to the mindset of the men at the time.
Yours... one politician calling the other names which is hardly surprising.
Rhett had a reason to think of Davis as a liar & if I understand correctly there was a history of animosity between the two. Withers is an interesting fellow and I was suprised to read his appraisal of Davis coached in such terms.
Lee... well Lee is rather self explanatory and his views, as the most respected man of the CS, are quite relevent don't you think?
Mosby... bloody well had a square head on his shoulders and unless you can prove to me that he had no clue what he was talking about. It is a very telling statement.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
IMHO Treason is the basest form of betrayal. However; in fairness treason is merely a matter of dates and winners and losers.
In other words, as long as you side with the "correct" guys (defined as Shane's side), then you are OK. If you dare side with the other guys, then its base betrayal.
Once again, might makes right, and the moral high ground is not important.
Mosby... bloody well had a square head on his shoulders and unless you can prove to me that he had no clue what he was talking about. It is a very telling statement.
Mosby?? What was Mosby's role in the question? He was a young man of about 27 years old with little experience before the war.
Once again, we see that if a person says the "correct" things, then that is the one that is to be given the most credibility, in some folks' view.
Mosby's youth calls into question his ability to decide what the war was about?
Or maybe the young have an ability to cut through the mystical justification and the lofty speeches and can see the issue in 'black and white?'
As a soldier I found out a very amazing thing. I found it out as a First Sergeant when I found myself addressing the troops in formation and when I was one of the in the formation being addressed by other officers and high-ranking officials. Soldiers know instinctively when they are being lied to and when they are being told the truth. It is a basic fact.
When you are instructed to kill your fellow human beings, you tend to boil down the issues in very simple terms as to the reason you are doing such a thing.
Youthful or not, at the pointed tip of the spear, you know what you are fighting for and you know the reason why.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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