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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 03-25-2006, 02:42 PM
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JT,

OK, I'm ready to discuss an opponent of the Fourteenth Amendment – or at least of Rep. Bingham’s “primitive” (my term) version of the amendment as it existed in late February 1866. One of the principal opponents of that early version in the House was Robert Safford Hale (R. – NY). Hale hailed (sorry, I can’t help myself!) originally from Vermont (born 1822). He moved to Elizabethtown, New York (near Lake Champlain), opened a legal practice there in 1847 and later became a judge. The 39th Congress was his first term in Congress. He was one of the most conservative Republicans in the House.

Hale spoke against Bingham’s proposed amendment as it then stood on February 27, 1866. Rep. Hale’s remarks concerning the amendment as then proposed focused on the “equal protection” language, not on the “privileges and immunities” language, which I have bracketed for sake of clarity:

“The Congress shall have power to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper to secure [to the citizens of each State all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States, and] to all persons in the several States equal protection in the rights of life, liberty and property.”

Rep. Hale construed this language as “a grant [to Congress] of the right to legislate for the protection of life, liberty, and property, simply qualified with the condition that it shall be equal legislation.” Granting Congress such power, he argued, would turn the Constitution on its head. Rather than being limited to specific, enumerated powers, Congress would be granted sweeping powers to legislate on almost every subject.

In the course of his speech, Rep. Hale turned to the Bill of Rights. His explanation of his understanding of the Bill demonstrates that Rep. Hale believed that the Bill of Rights was already binding on and enforceable against the States in court. He had no problem with that idea. He objected only to granting Congress the power to enforce the Bill of Rights through general legislation.

Rep. Hale began by setting forth his understanding of the Bill of Rights. It protected citizens by limiting Federal and State powers. What the Bill did not do was grant Congress power to enact legislation to enforce its provisions:

“Now, what are these amendments to the Constitution, numbered one to ten . . .. What is the nature and object of these articles? They do not contain, from beginning to end, a grant of power anywhere. On the contrary, they are all restrictions of power. They constitute the bill of rights, a bill of rights for the protection of the citizen, and defining and limiting the power of Federal and State legislation. They are not matters upon which legislation can be based.”

That did not mean, however, that the Bill of Rights conveyed rights without remedy. “Throughout they provide safeguards to be enforced by the courts, and not to be exercised by the Legislature.”

Rep. Hale obviously was unaware of Barron v. Baltimore. Rep. Bingham, who was aware of that case, jumped up and rudely challenged this assertion:

“I ask him [Mr. Hale] now if he knows of a single decision in which the sufficiency of the Constitution to secure to a party aggrieved in his person within a State the right to protection by the prosecution of a suit, which by the organic law of the State was denied to him, has ever been affirmed, either by Federal statute or Federal decision, or whether the nation has not been dumb in the presence of the organic act of a State which declares that eight hundred thousand natural-born citizens of the United States shall be denied the right to prosecute a suit in their courts, either for the vindication of a right or the redress of a wrong? I want an answer.”

In response, Rep. Hale admitted that he did not know of such a case. He simply assumed that the Constitution somehow protected the liberties of citizens. I quote the response in full because it is so striking:

“The gentleman will always get an answer when he asks me a question. It is never necessary for him to accompany his questions with a warning.

“I have not been able to prepare a brief for this argument, and therefore I cannot refer the gentleman to any case. As I never claim to be a very learned constitutional lawyer I have no hesitation in making the admission that I do not know of a case where it has ever been decided that the United States Constitution is sufficient for the protection of liberties of the citizen. But still I have, somehow or other, gone along with the impression that there is that sort of protection thrown over us in some way, whether with or without the sanction of a judicial decision that we are so protected. Of course, I may be entirely mistaken in all this, but I have certainly somehow had that impression.

After another Representative joined in to ask Rep. Bingham whether he was aware of such a case, Bingham said that was “ready to answer the gentleman now, and to produce such a decision” – almost certainly Barron and Livingston v. Moore, the cases that he cited and quoted from the next day (see my post #25 above). Hale, however, objected that this was a “side issue” and stated that he preferred to continue with his speech.

Shortly thereafter, Hale nonetheless returned to the issue of court enforcement of the Bill of Rights. Yet again, he made clear that he understood that the Bill applied to the States and was enforceable against the States in court:

“If he [Rep. Bingham] claims that those provisions of the constitution or the laws of Oregon [to which Bingham had referred] are inconsistent with the bill of rights contained in the Constitution of the United States, then I answer that his remedy is perfect and ample, and the courts may be appealed to to vindicate the rights of the citizens, both under civil and criminal procedure. Their powers are ample; it never was questioned, it never could be questioned, that the decrees of the courts, in all the States at least where slavery did not exist, have been thoroughly and sufficiently enforced.”

In short, even the most conservative Republican, one who clearly believed in a federal government of limited powers, believed that the Bill of Rights was binding on the States and thought that it was perfectly natural to assume that citizens could vindicate those rights in court.

No wonder, then, that the speeches of Rep. Bingham and Senator Howard explaining the Privileges or Immunities Clause elicited few if any objections. So far as I'm aware, no Republican – including Rep. Hale -- stated during the debates that he believed that the Bill of Rights did not and should not apply to and restrict the States. (As I’ve noted before, Radicals complained that the amendment did not go even further and grant political rights, particularly the right to vote, as well as civil rights.) Rep. Hale and a handful of other Republican legislators objected only to granting Congress sweeping enforcement powers.

The final version of the amendment passed by the House (and Senate) in June 1866 may have alleviated some or all of Rep. Hale’s concerns. The enforcement provision of the final version was placed in a separate Section 5. Although it affirmed the enforcement power of Congress, it did not contain the language that Rep. Hale found most offensive. It stated simply: “The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” Perhaps also, Rep. Bingham’s quotations from Barron and Livingston v. Moore and the need to overrule Dred Scott ultimately convinced Rep. Hale that the amendment was essential to "vindicate the rights of the citizens." For whatever reason, Hale voted for the final version of the amendment.

All quotes are from The Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, First Session, pp. 1063-65 (Feb. 27, 1866). All emphasis within the quotes is mine. Easy access to the Globe for the 39th Congress may be found here:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lw....html#anchor39

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Tom, welcome to the board.
Thanks. I'd been browsing through the old posts in Secession & Politics for a month or so before you started this thread. That provided the spark for me to register and throw in my two cents.

I've just recently read Amar's and Kent's books on the 14th, but I hesitate to comment on the issue until I read Fairman & Berger's views.

Were you able to locate a copy of Fairman's original law review article? I tried a few online sources, with no luck. I ended up ordering a copy of _Fourteenth Amendment and the Bill of Rights: The Incorporation Theory_, by Fairman, Morrison, & Levy. I'm still looking for a copy of his original article, though.
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My hat's off to you!
Put that sucker back on; winter's not over yet.

I've just recently become intrigued by the history and interpretations of the 14th and appreciate the discussion between JohnTaylor and yourself.
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I've just recently read Amar's and Kent's books on the 14th,
Now my hat's off again!

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but I hesitate to comment on the issue until I read Fairman & Berger's views.
I, too, tend not to express views until I'm reasonably well informed about the topic. On the other hand, I've discovered that it's impossible to read everything on every topic, so I'd put the emphasis on the "reasonably" in "reasonably well informed". If you've read Amar and Curtis, you know more about the topic than 99% of the planet. I think that qualifies you.

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Were you able to locate a copy of Fairman's original law review article? I tried a few online sources, with no luck.
Having not read Fairman's article in many years, I too looked for it on line. No luck. One alternative is to read some of the original sources yourself. Reading portions of the debates really helped convince me that Curtis and Amar were correct.

So welcome aboard, and sound off!

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I, too, tend not to express views until I'm reasonably well informed about the topic. On the other hand, I've discovered that it's impossible to read everything on every topic, so I'd put the emphasis on the "reasonably" in "reasonably well informed". If you've read Amar and Kent, you know more about the topic than 99% of the planet. I think that qualifies you.



Having not read Fairman's article in many years, I too looked for it on line. No luck. One alternative is to read some of the original sources yourself. Reading portions of the debates really helped convince me that Kent and Amar were correct.

So welcome aboard, and sound off!
Elektratig, apologies about the delay in responding. I have been waiting for my inter-library loan person to get a copy of Fairman's original article. It is still not here, but she assures me it is en route. Maybe the delay is caused by the sheer size of the article. (What was wrong with that guy? Who writes 134 page journal articles?)
At any rate, I would prefer to read Fairman's article itself (Fairman seems to be the source of a lot of footnote threads in a lot of other works), not someone's summary of that article, so please bear with me.
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JT,

No apology necessary -- your desire to read Fairman is altogether professional and understandable. It's ridiculous and frustrating that after all these years Fairman's article isn't more readily accessible, particularly given the tremendous influence it has had.

While I've got you, perhaps you can give me some tips on another subject. In general (the topic of this thread being an obvious exception), my history reading over the past several years has been leading me back in time, from the War to the immediate pre-war period to Andrew Jackson, etc. Most recently, I've been cautiously experimenting with the founding and immediate post-founding eras. Given your cognomen, I suspect these are periods in which you have some expertise. Any reading suggestions? I'll leave it wide open.
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elektratig,
Thanks for the indulgence on the Fairman. If, in the next week, the article doesn't come into my library, I will pick up the conversation with Fairman or not.

As for your request for suggestions, I can make a few. A Christian theologian once stated that every Christian heresy begins with a misconception of the nature of God. I believe that every constitutional heresy begins with a misconception of the nature of the Union. Thus, it is essential that one understand the philosophical foundations of the Republic. Like making photocopies of photocopies, the closer one is to the original source documents, the more likely one is to get a true impression of original intentions of the Founders.
That said, head and shoulders, the most important book in US history (and unfortunately, rarely read) is Elliot's Debates. Jonathan Elliot published the proceedings of the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, as well as the proceedings of the several State Conventions in which the Constitution was debated. In this work are the records of the Conventions of Mass., NY, Penn., Virginia, NC (the first Convention which did not adopt the Constitution), and SC (both Legislature and Convention). Fragments are also available from NH, Md., & Conn. (For the record, RI debates have been published separately by the RI Hist. Society. Georgia apparently debated the Constitution for a single day and did not keep records.) At any rate, the meaning of the Constitution, as understood by the delegates empowered to investigate it, and ratify it (or not) is clarified by this multi-volume book. Elliot’s Debates are much more important, in my view, than the Federalist Papers, which were nothing more than anonymously published op-eds of the day. What was said by the State Conventions that breathed life into the Constitution is what really matters. Best of all, Elliot’s Debates can be downloaded for free.
Frohnen’s compilation of the Anti-Federalists is first-rate, but must be read with the understanding that these were men mostly arguing ratification of the Constitution.

In the period immediately following the foundation of the new Republic, I would recommend (big surprise) almost anything by John Taylor of Caroline. Taylor was an extreme example of strict construction, but his essays are well-thought out and forcefully written. John Taylor’s work, New Views of the Constitution, is intended to rebut John Adams’ heretical work on the Constitution, published in 1798. William Rawle’s View of the Constitution is a good early interpretation of the Constitution.

For modern interpretations of the founding, I would recommend Forrest McDonald’s Novus Ordo Seclorum: The Intellectual Origins of the Constitution, and State’s Rights and Union: Imperium in Imperio. McDonald was a professor at the University of Alabama, a Jefferson Lecturer in the National Endowment for the Humanities, runner up for a Pulitzer prize (for Novus Ordo Seclorum). I also enjoyed Jack Rakove’s Original Meanings. Rakove is at Stanford, and he writes well. A little off the beaten path is Mel Bradford’s Original Intentions. Bradford was a professor of English, I believe, but his book is interesting.

Hope these help.
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JT,

Thanks so much. Your list is exactly what I had in mind. It so happens that I just finished Bernard Bailyn's Ideological Origins of the American Revolution -- absolutely magnificent -- and am about to start McDonald's Novus Ordo Seclorum. I'd spotted Rakove's book as a possibility but will now add it to the list. I've got several books by Gordon Wood on the way -- what do you think of him? I'll start sampling the debates online and figure I'll get to some of the others, including that of your eponym, after I get my bearings.
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FYI, I received The Fourteenth Amendment and the Bill of Rights: The Incorporation Theory today and it contains both Fairman's "Does the Fourteenth Amendment Incorporate the Bill of Rights? The Original Understanding" and Morrison's "Does the Fourteenth Amendment Incorporate the Bill of Rights? The Judicial Interpretation", both reprinted from 2 Stanford Law Review (1949).

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Uh-oh. I'm in for it now!
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