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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 02-22-2006, 10:15 AM
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Mayor Fernando Wood’s Recommendation for the Secession of New York City, 1861
(from McPherson, The Political History of the Great Rebellion, p. 42)
To the Honorable Common Council:
Gentlemen: We are entering upon the public duties of the year under circumstances as unprecedented as they are gloomy and painful to contemplate….
It would seem that a dissolution of the Federal Union is inevitable….
If these forebodings are realized, and a separation of the States shall occur, momentous considerations will be presented to the corporate authorities of this city. We must provide for the new relations which will necessarily grow out of the new condition of public affairs.
It will not only be necessary for us to settle the relations which we shall hold to other cities and States, but to establish if we can, new ones with a portion of our own State. Being the child of the Union, having drawn our sustenance from its bosom, and arisen to our present power and strength through the vigor of our mother – when deprived of her maternal advantages, we must rely upon our own resources and assume a position predicated upon the new phase which public affairs will present, and upon the inherent strength which our geographical, commercial, political, and financial preeminence imparts to us.
With our aggrieved brethren of the Slave States, we have friendly relations and a common sympathy. We have not participated in the warfare upon their constitutional rights, or their domestic institutions…. Our ships have penetrated in to every clime, and so have New York capital, energy, and enterprise found their way to every State, and indeed to almost every country and town of the American Union. If we have derived sustenance from the Union, so we have in return disseminated blessings for the common benefit of all. Therefore, New York has a right to expect, and should endeavor to preserve, a continuance of uninterrupted intercourse with every section.
It is, however, folly to disguise the fact that, judging from the past, New York may have more cause of apprehension from the aggressive legislation of our own State than from external dangers. We have already suffered largely from this cause. For the past five years, our interests and corporate rights have been repeatedly trampled upon. Being an integral portion of the State, it has been assumed, and in effect tacitly admitted on our part by nonresistance, that all political and governmental power over us rested in the State Legislature. Even the common right of taxing ourselves for our own government, has been yielded, and we are not permitted to do so without this authority….
Thus it will be seen that the political connection between the people of the city and the State has been used by the latter to our injury. The Legislature, in which the present partisan majority has the power, has become an instrument by which we are plundered to enrich their speculators, lobby agents, and Abolition politicians….
How we shall rid ourselves of this odious and oppressive connection, it is not for me to determine. It is certain that a dissolution cannot be peacefully accomplished, except by the consent of the Legislature itself. Whether this can be obtained or not, is, in my judgment, doubtful. Deriving so much advantage from its power over the city, it is not probable that a partisan majority will consent to a separation – and the resort to force by violence and revolution must not be thought of for an instant. We have been distinguished as an orderly and law-abiding people. Let us do nothing to forfeit this character, or to add to the present distracted condition of public affairs.
Much, no doubt, can be said in favor of the justice and policy of a separation. … Why should not New York city, instead of supporting by her contributions in revenue two thirds of the expenses of the United States, become also equally independent? As a free city, with but nominal duty on imports, her local Government could be supported without taxation upon her people. Thus we could live free from taxes, and have cheap goods nearly duty free. In this she would have the whole and united support of the Southern States, as well as all the other states to whose interests and rights under the Constitution she has always been true.
It is well for individuals or communities to look every danger squarely in the face and to meet it calmly and bravely. As dreadful as the severing of bonds that have hitherto united the States has been in contemplation, it is now apparently a stern and inevitable fact. We have now to meet it with all the consequences, whatever they may be. If the Confederacy is broken up, the Government is dissolved, and it behooves every distinct community, as well as every individual, to take care of themselves.
When Disunion has become a fixed and certain fact, why may not New York disrupt the bands which bind her to a venal and corrupt master – to a people and a party that have plundered her revenues, attempted to ruin her commerce, taken away the power of self-government, and destroyed the Confederacy of which she was the proud Empire City? Amid the gloom which the present and prospective condition of things must cast over the country, New York, as a Free City, may shed the only light and hope of a future reconstruction of our once blessed Confederacy.
But I am not prepared to recommend the violence implied in these views. In stating the argument in favor of freedom “peacefully if we can, forcibly if we must,” let me not be misunderstood. The redress can be found only in appeals to the magnanimity of the people of the whole State. The events of the past two months have no doubt effected a change in the popular sentiment of the State and National politics. This change may bring us the desired relief, and we may be able to obtain a repeal of the law to which I have referred, and a consequent restoration of our corporate rights.
Fernando Wood, Mayor
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Old 02-22-2006, 12:54 PM
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Sheeesh, Buffalo-Guard. Read that again. Mayor Wood is saying, "a pox on both your houses."
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Old 02-22-2006, 01:10 PM
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Default New York City...joining the CSA ???

Good point. I'm glad someone saw it.

It alost reads that New York wanted no part of the war and wanted to become thier own indepentent country or sovernt land.

But you have to remember, Two Rod in Erie County New York did leave the union. New York City had some of if not the bigent riots of the war. Hundreds of blacks were murdered.

The reason for the post is to promp others who may have information on it and the reasl reasons for the mayors address
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Free City is the key word here; you have to look at this in historical perspective. It was not uncommon in the late Middle Ages for a city in a war zone to declare themselves a “Free and Open City”

Basically it meant go have your war elsewhere and buy your stuff here, We aint part of your war no more.

Paris tried it in WWII It can be very profitable…
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But you have to remember, Two Rod in Erie County New York did leave the union. New York City had some of if not the bigent riots of the war. Hundreds of blacks were murdered.
Don't know exactly what this means. The draft riots in NYC had nothing to do with secession. And maybe less to do with the draft. The riots were venting. Predominantly Irish mobs killed hundreds of negroes and were, in turn, shot down by U.S. troops. Not a nice day for anyone and not a pleasant chapter in the book on the WBTS. An unfortunate aside in the big picture.
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The 1866 Race riots in Memphis & New Orleans were every bit as ugly as the1863 NYC riots.
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Old 02-22-2006, 08:54 PM
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Didnt some of the vets from gettysburg get to NYC to stop the Riot
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I believe so, in addition, the invalid corp was brought out, and undoubtedly, the NYC area regts recruiting details as well.
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Western troops (including 1st MN) & Regulars in particular were sent into NYC as it was thought they would be less sympathetic to the rioters.

At one point the 1st MN was told to load blanks... they refused and loaded live rounds. Realizing what was happening the crowd became amazingly docile.
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wasnt that the same regt that Hancock personally ordered to charge Wrights bde on the evening of July 2nd?
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