Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I think they hoped that their former Americans wouldn't invade them and enforce their Northern will by a knife to the throat.It's like a husband kidnapping his wife trying to divorce him at gunpoint and forcing her to stay with him.Whether the lady was a unfaithful or whatever personal flaw she had she has a right to make up her mind.
A rather bizarre analogy, I must say!
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Comeon Sam,
It's hardly original and it is fitting.Two freely joined together and one desperately wanted a separation.The wife(the South) wanted out of the marriage(government).The husband(the North) wouldn't let her go.I mean the Confederate states weren't romanced back into the Union.They were forced by violence.My wife has been making me watch lifetime lately though, which of course is full of bad men so maybe that was in the back of my mind somewhere?Have a good one.
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Well, I still think it is a silly analogy, but to take it further, what if (before all that knife stuff, way back when they were just arguing, etc.) said wife took out a pistol and shot at the Husband? Even if she missed, would that not be justification for said husband to resort to the 'lawful authorities', to intercede so that said wife would not once again be a threat?
(Maybe you are watching too many violent programs on 'Lifetime' which may involve (subliminally) rape by the Husband against the unwilling Wife. (In which, on Lifetime, the husband is always the villain.))
Turn off that evil Television!
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Physically speaking we cannot separate. We cannot remove our respective sections from each other, nor build an impassable wall between them. A husband and wife may be divorced, and go out of the presence, and beyond the reach of each other; but the different parts of our country cannot do this. They cannot but remain face to face; and intercourse, either amicable or hostile, must continue between them.
Abraham Lincoln, March 4, 1861.
I submit to you any comparison between a man and his wife, in whatever scenario you put them, does not begin to compare with the nation as a whole.
In their view, the Union, as a family relation, would not be anything like a regular marriage at all, but only as a sort of free-love arrangement, to be maintained on what that sect calls passionate attraction.
Abraham Lincoln, February 11, 1861.
Again, I must bring up the fact that if the North was going to war over the tariff or over the idea of beating money out of the South, Fathers, Sons, and Brothers murdered each other by the hundreds of thousands over $1.94 a year that each free white in the US had to pay on the average. Can you honestly believe that a Brother or a Father would gun down in cold blood his Brother or Son over that trifling amount?
It didn't sell then and it doesn't 'sell' now.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
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Comeon Sam,
It's hardly original and it is fitting.Two freely joined together and one desperately wanted a separation.The wife(the South) wanted out of the marriage(government).The husband(the North) wouldn't let her go.I mean the Confederate states weren't romanced back into the Union.They were forced by violence.My wife has been making me watch lifetime lately though, which of course is full of bad men so maybe that was in the back of my mind somewhere?Have a good one.
I think it's very fitting. The Union was formed by the joining of an individual state to the Federal government. This process was repeated until we had a United States. Just as with any marriage this was all mutually consentual. There wasn't even the clause, "till death do us part", although, the Union added that part on their own.
So the wife (South) , out of desperation, shot at the husband (North), that doesn't mean the wife should have to remain in an awful marriage. The husband has no right to force her to stay. It's a very good analogy.
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I believe portraying the South as the wronged woman is a very carefully chosen analogy. The woman automaticly receives the sympathy and usually the house and kids... But if southerners continue to hammer forth the idea that the CS was a weak defenseless woman... their perogative.
Regardless the analogy of a divorce is contrived.
Any nation on earth would consider the firing on their troops, forts or ships of War as a blatant act of War...
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Physically speaking we cannot separate. We cannot remove our respective sections from each other, nor build an impassable wall between them. A husband and wife may be divorced, and go out of the presence, and beyond the reach of each other; but the different parts of our country cannot do this. They cannot but remain face to face; and intercourse, either amicable or hostile, must continue between them.
Abraham Lincoln, March 4, 1861.
I submit to you any comparison between a man and his wife, in whatever scenario you put them, does not begin to compare with the nation as a whole.
In their view, the Union, as a family relation, would not be anything like a regular marriage at all, but only as a sort of free-love arrangement, to be maintained on what that sect calls passionate attraction.
Abraham Lincoln, February 11, 1861.
Lincoln was wrong. How many times have you heard of a husband and wife being better friends after a divorce than during a marriage? I've seen that happen many times. At any rate, we could divorce and turn our backs to each other by BUTTING OUT of one anothers business. It didn't need to be hostile and the South didn't want it to be hostile.
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Originally Posted by unionblue
Again, I must bring up the fact that if the North was going to war over the tariff or over the idea of beating money out of the South, Fathers, Sons, and Brothers murdered each other by the hundreds of thousands over $1.94 a year that each free white in the US had to pay on the average. Can you honestly believe that a Brother or a Father would gun down in cold blood his Brother or Son over that trifling amount?
It didn't sell then and it doesn't 'sell' now.
The problem with the $1.94 theory is that each man woman and child didn't pay it. The burden fell more heavily on the shoulders of the country's exporters. Since the South exported about 75% of their cotton production they were highly susceptible to the heavier burden.
Regards,
Rose
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Just out of curiosity if a wife attacks a husband w/ a butcher knife is he allowed to defend himself?
Of course, but if he is breaking in her house when she attacks him, it may not go well for him in court.
Rose
__________________ "Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names".--J.F.K.
The War Between the States established... This principle that the Federal Government is, through its courts, this final judge of its own powers.
-- Woodrow Wilson
I believe portraying the South as the wronged woman is a very carefully chosen analogy. The woman automaticly receives the sympathy and usually the house and kids... But if southerners continue to hammer forth the idea that the CS was a weak defenseless woman... their perogative.
Spoken like a man. But, don't forget that in the case of the North and South the man (North) received the house, kids, car, dog, savings account....
Rose
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But, don't forget that in the case of the North and South the man (North) received the house, kids, car, dog, savings account....
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