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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 12-15-2005, 08:23 PM
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Hal,

A question for a question?

Shirley, you're not out of answers?

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Neil, I'm following your lead.

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Hal,

You were supposed to answer UBlue's question and then tell him " and stop calling me Shirley!"
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Without an independent source of wealth, VT has no chance as an independent nation.

All of our states are too tied into the Federal system.

Texas would have a tough time if we declared the "Second Republic."

What chance does Vermont have? (I said that on another thread but I think it fits here too.)
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The absurdity is pretending to know better than VT what's best for her.

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True. I'd never deny her the right to decide, but I would only grudgingly support her. She declared us her enemy in 1860. This turn of the tables in nothing short of ironic.

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But,

What if a minority of Vermonters decided to leave the US while the majority decided they did not want to do so? Is the minority right to exercise it's desires to leave the Union if the majority of the residents of the state wish to remain a part of the US? Whose liberty and rights are being violated or ignored if such a scenario took place?

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Without an independent source of wealth, VT has no chance as an independent nation.

All of our states are too tied into the Federal system.

Texas would have a tough time if we declared the "Second Republic."

What chance does Vermont have? (I said that on another thread but I think it fits here too.)
TX would be the second strongest nation in the western hemisphere. VT would thrive and prosper.

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What if a minority of Vermonters decided to leave the US while the majority decided they did not want to do so?
Then, they'd have to get the VT legislature to agree to a partition, it they were dead set on leaving, legally speaking.

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Is the minority right to exercise it's desires to leave the Union if the majority of the residents of the state wish to remain a part of the US?
Self-government is an inalienable right. And the minority within VT must yield to the majority.

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Hal,

Just to understand your statement above, am I right in assuming that a minority in a state must yield to the majority within that very same state, correct?

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hawglips, compliments,

I must respectfully disagree with you on the statement about a Second Texas Republic being the second strongest nation on the North American continent. Unless we found oil reserves equal to the entire Middle East under Texas soil, the economy would be bankrupt.
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