Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
And yet another thread gets locked up because of complaints.
Is this really the best way of dealing with unpleasantness? Is it fair to those people who put time and effort into constructing a thread, only to see it shut away forever through no fault of their own? My own feeling, this morning, is that there is absolutely no point in contributing to any threads under "Secession & Politics" because, sooner or later, there will be an argument and it will be closed down.
Surely the point is this: there is no inherent connection between the content of the thread and the fact that there is an exchange of bad blood. Wouldn't it be better merely to delete the offending posts? Would that be so difficult to do?
One other point. Should complaints remain anonymous? Or should the complainer[s] be identified? I have complained on a couple of occasions, and would be perfectly happy for the fact to be broadcast.
Last edited by bill_torrens; 12-02-2005 at 04:42 AM.
Mike and Ami have a right to run this board any way they please.
We are supposed to be adults and we should be able to conduct ourselves as such.
When we lapse and behave like children, we deserve to be slapped down and locked out of our playground. Perhaps when the lesson has been applied enough, we will learn.
We all should remember, we are guests here and we should not track mud into someone else's house.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Never, ever have I complained to Ami or Mike about anything officially. I made a comment, just after joining and going straight into a hot topic, in supporting a friend's osition on a particular subject, that moderation was lacking and was dearly needed. Not a single complaint to the Super Mods, have I issued. I'm for allowing my name to be known, if I complain. I have absolutely no problem with this idea.
Deletion of undesired posts would suffice but this may pose another problem:
Not all posts or replies are pure fact. Some thoughts are pure speculation or opinion. When one opinion is thrust to another as pure fact, and the counter-reply states differently, which post will be nullified or erased?
This all sounds like THE original 'civil war talk;' one opinion addressed as fact and the other opinion denied. No wonder our forefathers had trouble not going to war.
Hmmm, is this a good reason for the WBTS??
Also, IMO, the core problem for this last shutdown was one member stating his obviously speculative opinion, as pure fact. Are some speculative and unsupported opinions to be ruled OK while other opinions possessing the same credentials be deemed null & void...and solved by shutting down posts?
If Ami or Mike starts deleting individual posts they get screamed at for censorship; something they have never been guilty of on this board. IIRC only very few posts have ever been deleted by Ami.
Frankly, I think it a bad idea to post the nasty emails & PM's for all to see and would only open up another can of worms. Leading to animosity... or more animosity and further problems.
As a note I received several emails or PM's about the interchange between Cash, Mobileboy & Alabaman. I passed them onto Ami & Mike. As a further note the complaints were not from any of the three mentioned.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
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Case closed. Although I disagree with the closing, it was not my thread, it is not my board, and it is not my decision.
Tracking mud in my house gives me a problem with Mrs. Ole, so I'll have to come down on her side. While I'd insist you clean it up before she comes home, she would have you trotted outside and severiously beaten about the head and shoulders with some sort of blunt but heavy instrument.
It comes down to tolerance. Ami's threshold was crossed. Mud on her carpet. Case closed. As she can't trot you outside to teach you some manners, she did what she could do: shut it down.
Complaining and whining. I'm perplexed about that. My computer allows me to do something else. I've yet to find why yours does not. Civilwartalk.com does not come up automatically on my screen. I have to select it. I am not required to do so. When it is a source of irritation, I am free to ignore it. The sun does not rise and set over my skinny butt. My existence is a matter of importance only to me. Can we, just for a while, get real?
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Yes, we all have the option to participate here or do something else with our time. I regret the reference to "whining" in Ole's post because I don't think anyone is doing any such thing.
Of course Mike & Ami have the right to set the rules. But that does not mean one cannot question a rule if it seems wrong-headed. Having questioned it, I will now shut up. But before doing so I will make one prediction: whatever bad blood exists between two or more individuals will never be solved by closing down a thread. Sooner or later it will emerge on another thread. And that will be closed down. And so on ad infinitum.
I think it a better option than banning. Ami gave a warning that was pretty much blatantly ignored. Neil, the originator of the thread, aired the belief that people should behave, so did several others. All were ignored. Dead thread.
If or when it happens again Ami or Mike will have to kill another thread. Better the closing of a thread than the closing of the Forum. If it appears to be a repeated intention of some to close threads... then PM Ami or Mike or click the Little ! in the corner of the post. It isn't difficult.
Remember we are allowed this Forum because Ami & Mike put the time and effort into its upkeep. They do this w/out pay and w/ little thanks the least that can be done is to follow their simple rules. Leave the mudslinging and insults elsewhere. Keep this a site for discussion, research and the exchange of ideas.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
I take my full share of the responsibility for the thread shutdown. I will certainly agree to not get heated-up like I did again. I was wrong in the way I replied and I FULLY (for emphasis) APOLOGIZE to all, except the one that I debated with. But...I'll not respond to my perceived digs from him again. You have Alabaman's word on it.
Neil, By the time I read your message, come back to the thread to employ some modification, all heck had broken loose and all I saw was red. I guess Bill T. was right, we southerner's have a tad of a temper. But are we the only ones having a temper? I am sorry and apologize. Please ask Cash to not mention my ancestor as desiring, wanting or procuring slaves....Big Please?? It didn't sit very well with me. (Big thanks Samgrant for at least understanding and at least replying to this notion!) I know that Mr. Cash doesn't like my southern kidding so consider it over, on my part. I never meant anything that he didn't mean to me. I'm sorry I hurt his feelings (if I did?) and he did hurt mine, also.
To All:
Do you think y'all could ask Cash to join me in a joint apology to each other? Was everything hat happened only my fault?? I'd appreciate it and really think it would really help the board. Am I the only member who has ever said anything on CWT with ill feelings toward another? Please consider this when you think about my proposition. All I ask is for everyone to consider my position and spirit of good will, here. Nothing more and nothing less.
Shane, this type apology helped you and I when we had our 'exchange of volleys' just after I joined. We respect each other very well now. It worked for us, maybe it will for me & Mr. Cash. It's worth a try.
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