Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
My suggestion, as an humble participant in this discussion, is to remain civil and not bring to focus, quotes, which may possess that little hint of sarcasm. I totally reject your opinion that I have "stirred the pot." I wish to debate the wanton destruction of South Carolina by US forces under Gen. W.T.Sherman. My intention is to add Southern beef to this pot.
Neil, I never see you 'police' your friends, of the Yankee persuasion, when sarcasm is obviously intended? Moderation per our 'own' ranks might prevent "babysitting" via Super Moderators and subsequent closure of the post. Sabotage, through inappropriate remarks is pure censorship. I've witnessed the same on another post. Just my two pennyworth.
I'm willing to carry forth, if such remarks are dropped.
My suggestion, as an humble participant in this discussion, is to remain civil and not bring to focus, quotes, which may possess that little hint of sarcasm. I totally reject your opinion that I have "stirred the pot." I wish to debate the wanton destruction of South Carolina by US forces under Gen. W.T.Sherman. My intention is to add Southern beef to this pot.
Neil, I never see you 'police' your friends, of the Yankee persuasion, when sarcasm is obviously intended? Moderation per our 'own' ranks might prevent "babysitting" via Super Moderators and subsequent closure of the post. Sabotage, through inappropriate remarks is pure censorship. I've witnessed the same on another post. Just my two pennyworth.
I'm willing to carry forth, if such remarks are dropped.
Yours Sincerely,
Alabaman (Rob Adams)
Rob,
It is quite obvious that the earlier remark was intended as an insulting "dig." From reading the posts on this forum over the past few weeks, it is quite obvious that a select few here have complete lack of respect for others and their beliefs. The utter arrogance of a couple of these posters is amazing! Any views or opinions favorable to the South, are quickly branded as myth, and the only views that carry any weight are those of the liberal revisionists or those who are utterly obsessed with slavery and its demagoguery, and seek to denigrate the reputation and record of the Confederate soldier. All of this is usually done by quoting the left-wing professor of their choice or talking about how many books they've supposedly read over the years, and then arbitrarily dismissing any other viewpoints.
Unfortunately, not everyone is brought up as a gentleman. Keep in mind, there are other forums out there where people can discuss things without letting arrogance, jealousy, and regional bigotry get in the way.
Regards,
John W.
__________________ Ancestors in CSA Army: 51st VA, 54th VA, 45th VA, 50th VA, 24th VA
Rob,
Thank you for supporting me buddy and having my back.In this particular case I honestly feel like Cash intended to be funny and not to insult.I could be wrong but I don't think he meant anything by it.Now the comment a few days ago by cedarstripper did offend me and left me with a desire to take him out to the woodshed.Honestly Cash's coach comment didn't bother me ,there is a lot of truth in that statement.I have a masters in history,but I teach computers and a reading strategies class because another coach has the social studies job.It seems male teachers prefer teaching history or math.I do get puzzled occasionally when Cash assumes divinity during discussions(just like he doesn't usually find my comments funny) but honestly his coach comment didn't bother me at all.I really like the input from our American brethren in the North ,but some of there anti-Confederate bias is irrational to me.Like authors agreeing with their viewpoint only present the facts with no bias whatsoever but anyone disagreeing with Northen propaganda is a hack. I try to ask myself why individuals of above average intelligence can't be more reasonable in their thinking.But hey Rob some very brilliant scientist think there is no God.What can you say?
My mother-in-law just bought me North and South on DVD set for my birthday.I didn't ask for it ,but I was actually surprised at how much I liked it.I don't think I had seen it since I was a child.George Hazard was a perfect guy wasn't he? Rob I'm just glad that you weren't the the Mayne's slave overseer.He definitely painted a flattering picture of Southerners as did Mr. Lamat.The Mayne's were cast in a honorable light excluding the prostitute daughter.I liked Virgilia's role as the psychotic abolitionist.Tell me how to recognize you and I'll try to see your moment on the big stage.I never finished the book 3 DVD.After Bent killed Orrie in all that mist it just seemed to silly to continue.Oh yea Madeline being part black was ridiculous too, but on a good note at least my wife watched it with me.Of course I got the privelege(chore) of watching lifetime with her instead of the Aints losing to the Vikings on Sunday.
I reference your comment to my friend & very intelligent young man, Mobileboy (Ashley) in post # 32.
This represents a poor attempt of hiding a cowardly insult to a man's occupation per your 'yellow' smiley face. Your reply with such a comment is most telling and dishonorable.
Another Yankee member of this Board has pre-empted with a similar comment. He failed also.
I have represented myself honorably and very respectfully to you, Cash. Remove your blinders and read your post #32, carefully.
Respectfully,
Rob Adams
---
Rob,
I was very obviously joking with him in a friendly manner. If you want to be thin-skinned, that's up to you, but when it comes to comments made in good humor addressed solely to someone else, it's probably best that you mind your own business.
It is quite obvious that the earlier remark was intended as an insulting "dig."
John,
Those who want to find an insult can find one anywhere. I made the remark in the spirit of good humor, with no intent whatsoever of insulting anyone. My history teacher in high school was my football coach also, and he did a great job in my opinion. You might want to stop looking for insults and instead try to enjoy life.
Rob,
Thank you for supporting me buddy and having my back.In this particular case I honestly feel like Cash intended to be funny and not to insult.I could be wrong but I don't think he meant anything by it.
You're absolutely right, Ashley. I'm gratified you understood.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MobileBoy
My mother-in-law just bought me North and South on DVD set for my birthday.I didn't ask for it ,but I was actually surprised at how much I liked it.I don't think I had seen it since I was a child.George Hazard was a perfect guy wasn't he? Rob I'm just glad that you weren't the the Mayne's slave overseer.He definitely painted a flattering picture of Southerners as did Mr. Lamat.The Mayne's were cast in a honorable light excluding the prostitute daughter.I liked Virgilia's role as the psychotic abolitionist.
I thought Orrie was just as perfect as George; he even had the ability to melt the ice-cold heart of Virgilia. The Maynes, in my opinion, represented the very best of southern planter culture, except for Ashton, with Lamat and Bent representing the worst of it. George Hazzard represented the best of Northern culture with his brother and his sister-in-law, and the congressman Virgilia got mixed up with representing the worst of it.
"My mother-in-law just bought me North and South on DVD set for my birthday.I didn't ask for it ,but I was actually surprised at how much I liked it."
Ashley,
The mini-series is good, but the novels are incredible! I picked up the 3 volume set really cheap at a flea market recently, and fully intend to read them again someday. In my opinion, "Heaven and Hell", the 3rd volume, which was not part of the mini-series, is the best one. Let's just say Elkanah Bent is the essence of evil in that final volume.
Gotta love your escapist fiction!
Regards,
John W.
__________________ Ancestors in CSA Army: 51st VA, 54th VA, 45th VA, 50th VA, 24th VA
Hey John,
I've never read the books , but I'll keep an eye out for them.The books seem to always be better than the movies don't they.I think I liked the movie because I thought it did an alright job of not making either the North or South look to terrible.Like I was telling Rob earlier ,that overseer of the slaves was pure trash wasn't he?I wonder how you try out for that role.Yes I'd like to audition for the ugly fat whitetrash guy who abuses slaves.There is a DVD on book three ,but it started so silly I just turned it off.Orrie was killed by the scarred Bent at nighttime with thick smoke all around(but there wasn't a fire).Then Orrie's scandalous sister pushes Bent off of a waterfall conveniently located nearby.I thought this scenario was a dream ,but then George is talking about Orrie being dead.I'll have to finish it one day.Usually I get the pleasure of watching Barney when get home.If that's not bad enough my son makes me dance to it as well.Pretty masculine stuff I know but it's hard to tell a 2 year old No.
Cash,
Yea I thought North and South did a ggod job of briefly summarizing some of the differences between the two sections of the country.I missed Orrie and Virgilia.I thought I remembered something going on there ,but I don't recall having seen it.Yea Ashton was a lady of the night(trying to avoid using ugly words),contrasted with Brett who was the perfect Southern Belle.When is the Ted Turner's movie after Gettysburg going to begin?
PLease guys lets leave Ted Turner out of the equation, while I despised the Movie as when I first saw it on the boob tube I seem to recall actually enjoying the books. In apology for the despising the movie comment I agree that it did a pretty decent job of fairly treating both sides in a way that will probably not again be seen from Hollywood and at a recent viewing of part of the mini series I may be forced to actually revise my opinion. Curse you all for making me consider renting & spend the time watching it.
As a note, that I know Mobileboy is probably aware of and my wife (also a teacher) has informed me... all the male teachers get offered Coach jobs and most readily accept as it is fun and is a source for a little added income. At the very least it's beer money.
As for the Avengement of SC... I'm staying clear of the subjevt, my own opinion that depradations happened but are often grossly exaggerated is well known to all. And there is no excuse for the rage that swept through SC other than the firm belief by a majority of Shermans men that it was time those who started the war pay for it. My own reading of many letters & diaries from men who actually participated in the March to the Sea & through SC has led me to my own conclusions and sympathies. In short I do firmly believe SC got everything it deserved; so I won't even attempt to claim objectivity.
__________________ Shane Christen
American Legion Post 352
SUVCW Camp Abernethy# 48
Lifetime NRA member
3rd MN VI
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
CivilWarTalk.com -
A free and friendly Civil War community. 
Linear Mode
