Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Yea Martin as the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.Thanks for posting credible information anyway.
__________________ "The sword is mighty, but principles laugh at swords. Overwhelming force may crush truth to earth but, crushed or not the truth is still the truth." Regards, Ashley
I'm afraid 'credible information' is like someones idea of beauty. It is all in the eye of the beholder.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Naturally, Neil, what was done to the Roswell women wouldn't appeal to "Beauty in the eye of the Beholder" because it definitely was not beautiful.
This Roswell issue is just another example of Southerners presenting evidence of an atrocity and Unionists crying foul.
In reading some of the ruminations from the Unionist team one would get the idea that all Union soldiers were former altar boys and their generals were even higher up the reverential ladder.
__________________ Thea
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I do not argue that the incident at Roswell happened and that the Roswell women were ordered North. It is after that statement that all gets fuzzy and very unclear to me. 'Southern evidence' or rather the sources the evidence that is supplied by those who wish to view things in the most terrible light possible, tends to be from more emotional than factual and tends to ignore that there is evidence to the contrary.
But, if that is what one expects from the 'Unionist team' (as if this were a game where points were being scored somehow) then one is apt to be rewarded with ones already preconcived opinions.
You have based your evidence on sources I consider in question since the case for and against the extreme examples given are in conflict, by reputed authors and historians. I have my opinions, you have yours, and we have been down this road many times before.
Union soldiers were not always former altar boys nor were their generals saints, but I don't believe they were demons with horns and tails bent on utter destruction, murder and rape, as there has been no convincing evidence, 'Southern' or otherwise that proves the deaths of 50,000 Southern civilians, or some other grossly exaggerated number. A book title cannot even be produced with this figure, so if I find the Roswell women story a bit hard to appreciate, in its extreme version, you'll forgive me as I only have past 'facts' to refer to.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Thea,
I couldn't agree with you more.They certainly are predictable are they not.Anything that doesn't make the South look bad or dares make the North look unholy is from a bad source.Yet Neil got all huffy with me because I questioned a communist loving author(literally) he liked who big surprise blamed everything on slavery.I can just say joining this board has really made me appreciate that God let me be born in the South.
__________________ "The sword is mighty, but principles laugh at swords. Overwhelming force may crush truth to earth but, crushed or not the truth is still the truth." Regards, Ashley
Neil,
You say that most Union solders weren't all that bad. Yes, I'm sure not all were bad, just some. You see, we of the Southern view feel like Fort Pillow was an isolated incidence of atrocity. Fort Pillow 'massacre' wasn't pure Confederate representative by any means. However, Cash feels very differently, apparently. It's very peculiar to me that ANYTHNG southern & bad is totally accepted by the slavery crowd as "factually" bad...but,...any atrocity the Union soldier may have committed is nullified summarily by "factual sources" per some "omniscient" neo-Union History Prof, which makes it 100% not true in your view. Strange indeed. Like you said, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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