Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Porter,
I agree with you about Confederate men being involved in the plot.By leaders I meant Jefferson Davis and Lee ,but I should have stated that.
I agree that the South couldn't have completed a quote March to the Sea if they wanted to.I don't see why in the world Confederate leaders would have desired such widespread destruction.I didn't state it as a fact that Confederate leaders were more honorable, but yes I plead guilty to that being my honest opinion.
We apparently differ on what is and what isn't a legitimate military target.
I was honestly being sarcastic and serious at the same time about the riots.Sarcastic about the killing of blacks part and serious about wondering if you thought Confederate agents started it.I've honestly heard it before and the person telling me really believed it.
The reason burning down buildings and crops etch... is worse in my opinion is because it was directed at civilians( women,the infirmed, and children).Sure some of it probably hurt the Confederacy indirectly.I don't see how ordering a military assault to be carried out by soldiers and looting and pillaging with no enemies around are comparable.
Lincoln is usually deified or demonfied.I don't like the guy at all but that's another conversation.He should have stopped it because they were defenseless civilians,and because of morals in my opinion.I couldn't have slept at night with that on my mind.That doesn't make me right it's just how I feelNeither women nor children voted for secession.I can't disagree that these actions shortened the war, but what if is a tough game to play.Your premise is very reasonable there though.Thanks for the information though.I'll check that out.Welcome to the board.If its okay I'll call you Porter unless you prefer something else.I just honestly feel silly calling another man admiral.
Cash thanks for the information.I've got to go eat our pre-game meal and then tape up ankles and wrist.Our pregame meal is cafeteria pizzza.That doesn't make sense to me.My students were in testing all day so other than babysitting other kids it was a good day.I rather enjoyed being on the board most of the day.I prefer discussing the Civil War to discussing reality.I wish Neil would make his presence felt again.
Regards,
Ashley
I don't see why in the world Confederate leaders would have desired such widespread destruction.
To create war weariness.
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Sarcastic about the killing of blacks part and serious about wondering if you thought Confederate agents started it.I've honestly heard it before and the person telling me really believed it.
I don't believe such a crazy conspiracy theory.
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I don't like the guy at all but that's another conversation.
That's fine. If we all thought alike this board would be boring.
Just the thing that bothers me is that after all these years, when nobody on this board lived during the war, why is it so necessary for some to villify others? Why do some people take everything so personally when they were not alive to experience it?
If you don't like someone that's cool. It just seems to me that some possess such an intense personal hatred for certain ACW figures which is what I don't understand.
I'm not crazy about Jeff Davis or Stonewall but I'm not acting like a troll baiting people with flaming threads about how they were the whipping and selling slaves in their free time. But I often see flaming posts by neo-confederates on many websites, including this one, about how evil Lincoln and Sherman were.
By the way some talk, an uninformed observer would think the south had it rougher than the Jews during the Holocaust, or the Chinese at Nanking, or the Armenians during World War 1.
This is just me ranting so don't take it personally. You can call me Porter.
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The Roswell women and children were sent North to live
- The negroes were sent South to live.
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They found jobs, and some of the women found husbands.
- The slaves found jobs. The women found husbands? How nice of Uncle Billy. His own little E Harmony.com Irrelevant, however.
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Unlike neoconfederate propaganda we see on some websites today
- This seems to be anything that doesn't fit your South-hating tunnel-vision, or anything not quoted by some left-wing revisionist professor.
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most of them returned to Roswell after the war.
-Prove it. How much is "most"?
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They weren't sent into slavery. I see the two situations as being totally different.
- Not very different at all. How many times have we been presented with the tragic, tearful drama of slaves being torn from their families and sent far away? These women were torn from their families and homes and sent far away, and all for nothing but working in a mill. I guess this behavior is excusable if the perpetrator wore a blue uniform?
Sherman had destroyed the factories, so what exactly was the point? How many uniforms could these women and children now turn out by hand, with a needle, thread, and thimble?
John W.
__________________ Ancestors in CSA Army: 51st VA, 54th VA, 45th VA, 50th VA, 24th VA
Ancestors in CSA Cav: 21st VA, 25th VA
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Do you really believe this statement because I would truly be amazed if someone brought back the old Biblical Antebellum argument that blacks were better off as slaves.
Do you really believe this statement because I would truly be amazed if someone brought back the old Biblical Antebellum argument that blacks were better off as slaves.
Read the article. They WERE sent South. As for being better off, no one here has made that argument or inference. You're creating a straw man. The subject at hand, is kidnapping. And of course, hypocrisy.
John W.
__________________ Ancestors in CSA Army: 51st VA, 54th VA, 45th VA, 50th VA, 24th VA
Probably so but a mill worker is paid for their work and is not owned by another person.
- If a person is not allowed to live where they please, or go where they want, then they're obviously owned by someone, either literally or figuratively.
John W.
__________________ Ancestors in CSA Army: 51st VA, 54th VA, 45th VA, 50th VA, 24th VA
- If a person is not allowed to live where they please, or go where they want, then they're obviously owned by someone, either literally or figuratively.
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