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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 11-04-2005, 12:32 PM
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Cedarstripper,
Your post was good, but yes I think there was a sense of inherent honor that would have prevented the CSA from having their own march to the Sea.It can be proved that the Grant,Sherman, and Lincoln knew about all of this destruction and supported it.It may be rumored that Lee knew of the few details of Southern harm to Northern civilian property but I've never seen an order, a quote, or anything from him to back that assertion up.I don't know if I think the CS soldier inherently possessed more honor but to me some of the leaders sure did.Source Robert E. Lee.
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:26 PM
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Cedarstripper,
Your post was good, but yes I think there was a sense of inherent honor that would have prevented the CSA from having their own march to the Sea.It can be proved that the Grant,Sherman, and Lincoln knew about all of this destruction and supported it.It may be rumored that Lee knew of the few details of Southern harm to Northern civilian property but I've never seen an order, a quote, or anything from him to back that assertion up.I don't know if I think the CS soldier inherently possessed more honor but to me some of the leaders sure did.Source Robert E. Lee.
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What was the inherent sense of honor that allowed Lee and his troops to kidnap blacks off the streets of Pennsylvania to be sent south in chains into slavery?

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Old 11-04-2005, 01:39 PM
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Not to mention the burning of Chambersburg, Confederate agents trying to set fire to New York, and refusing to recognize blacks in Federal uniform as legitimate prisoners of war.

In addition, Confederate forces used blood hounds and other questionable methods to attack Alabama Unionists who had been hiding in the mountains.

That the Confederacy would not have had their own march to sea because they were more honorable is pure hogwash and Lost Cause propaganda.

Did Lincoln not wish to grant an easy Reconstruction policy? Yes he did and if I remember correctly his plan was to have only 10% of a state's voters pledge allegiance to the Union for the state to be readmitted unlike some radicals who wanted something like 50%.

Did Grant not give such lenient surrender terms that Lee was entirely suprised because he expected to be a prisoner? Yes he did.

Did Sherman not grant such lenient surrender terms to Johnston that Washington was angry at him for being too soft on the rebs? Yes he did.

I find it hard to ignore the statements of men like Lee, Joe Johnston, and John B Gordon, those who actually fought the war, who had nothing but the utmost respect for their adversaries.

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Old 11-04-2005, 01:50 PM
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Cash,
I honestly have never heard about Lee kidnapping blacks in Pennsylvania and sending them home in chains before now.If you could sir please refer me to some sort of source to substantiate that claim.There should be numerous accounts of Pennsylvania civilians if that is true.If there are I'd give them credence as I don't believe large numbers of civilians North or South were inherently destined to lie.
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Old 11-04-2005, 01:55 PM
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http://www.northandsouthmagazine.com...howpage&pid=35

There's an article you can download. You need winzip to unzip the file and adobe to open the PDF.

The Yellow Fever article is also interesting which would be considered to be terrorism in today's world.

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Old 11-04-2005, 02:01 PM
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I think there was an article in Civil War Times or one of the other magazines in the past couple of years, dealing with this subject. However, I fail to see how this was much different from Sherman's treatment of the Roswell women and children.

However, I'm sure "Cash" will set me straight and force me to see how wrong I am.

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However, I fail to see how this was much different from Sherman's treatment of the Roswell women and children.
The only difference is that one group was bound for slavery and the other wasn't.
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Old 11-04-2005, 02:12 PM
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Yea, that excuses it.


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Old 11-04-2005, 02:15 PM
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I never said it did. You asked what the difference between the two was and I provided an answer.

War is war. Both sides did things that wouldn't sit well with some people but unfortunately that is the nature of the business.

Why, after 140 years, is it still necessary to villify certain people?

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Old 11-04-2005, 02:29 PM
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The only difference is that one group was bound for slavery and the other wasn't.
Anyone who has experienced true poverty would most certainly equate it with slavery. Only those who have experienced it will understand this statement.

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