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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 12-08-2005, 05:08 PM
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Cash, congratulations on your promotion to First Sergeant.

Looks like I got you over the threshold!

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Since you've been fond of Madison and Hamilton today, maybe this will help you understand the nature of our federal government (as it was promised to the States when ratification was on the line).
Maybe this will help you understand the obligations.

"The Constitution requires a ratification in toto and for ever." [James Madison to Alexander Hamilton 20 July 1788]

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Re: your post# 75:
paraphrasing 'I should read about the CS conscript act of April '62'

Believe you me, I've known about the conscript act of April 1862 for a long time.
Then it's problematical whether, after April 1862 they signed up on their "free will."


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This brings to bear a thought in reference to the CS Army of Tennessee. You pro-unionist state the CS soldier fought to perpetuate slavery in the South, although the overwhelming majority of CS infantry were nonslaveholders.
The political goal of the entity known as the confederacy was to gain its independence for the purpose of perpetuating slavery. Therefore, no matter what his individual motivation may have been, no matter whether he knew it or not, no matter whether he agreed with it or not, every confederate soldier fought to perpetuate slavery because the victory of the confederacy meant the perpetuation of slavery.

On the Union side, in the first half of the war the political goal of the United States was to preserve the Union. Therefore, every Union soldier, no matter what his personal motivation, no matter whether he knew it or not, no matter whether he agreed with it or not, was fighting to preserve the Union in the first half of the war.

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Cash, congratulations on your promotion to First Sergeant.

Looks like I got you over the threshold!

Hal

Thanks, Hal. You had a lot of help.

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Old 12-08-2005, 05:32 PM
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Thanks, Hal. You had a lot of help.

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Cash
How many Rebs does it take to change a light bulb?

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Old 12-08-2005, 05:34 PM
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Maybe this will help you understand the obligations.

"The Constitution requires a ratification in toto and for ever." [James Madison to Alexander Hamilton 20 July 1788]

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Until, of course, the time comes (and heaven avert it) when, as Madison put it, interposition is required.

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How many Rebs does it take to change a light bulb?

Hal

Don't know that one, but I'll give you this:

Q. How many Yanks does it take to change a light bulb?
A. One. He holds the light bulb and the world revolves around him.



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Until, of course, the time comes (and heaven avert it) when, as Madison put it, interposition is required.

Of course, then it will be all the states acting together. As the parties to the compact they can make it or unmake it. But a single party, according to Madison, owes fidelity to it.

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Old 12-08-2005, 05:58 PM
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Of course, then it will be all the states acting together. As the parties to the compact they can make it or unmake it. But a single party, according to Madison, owes fidelity to it.

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Cash
Ah yes! The old, acting together to interpose between themselves and themselves absurdity!

Cash, sometimes I think you are such a slow learner.

Hal

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Old 12-08-2005, 05:59 PM
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Don't know that one, but I'll give you this:

Q. How many Yanks does it take to change a light bulb?
A. One. He holds the light bulb and the world revolves around him.



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I like that one!

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