Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
"I have formally worked in the Army Security Agency, while I was in the US Army. I have also worked for the National Security Agency, the Air Force Security Service and the Naval Security Service and the Intelligence Security Command for twenty years while I served as a collector of intelligence. I can inform you that in all my years with those organizations, I never found an operation deployed against the people of the American South to deny them their history, to keep them in the dark, to make them ashamed of who they were or where they came from. I can also assure you that through our contacts with other Federal agencies (FBI, CIA, Joint Chiefs of Staff, DIA, etc.) none of those were concerned with those areas either."
First off, please allow me Sir to thank you for your service to our country. I do not have that service record myself, but I can assure you we share the same love for our country. My 'history' with this country includes three 'yankees' who arrived on the good ship Mayflower, a host of families in New England who worked the seas for a living, Dutch who ran afowl of the British heiracy and were forced to exit into a place they called New Amsterdam and were then chased into the wilderness into a place they later called New Jersey. After several decades they came south for warmer weather, winding up in mountains in western Virginia and North Carolina just as cold as the north from which they had migrated. My roots include the Iriquois and Algonquin who lived on the lands that became later known as Virginia and who defended that land as much as they could against the invading hords of Englishmen (also my ancestors). You can't get away from history in this world. The German migrants to Pennnsylvania, also my guys, came south to those same mountains and here I am today, having moved as a young man across the Blue Ridge, just to see what it's like and have discovered that the descendants of those same families were in this place fighting some silly thing they called a civil war. Trying to kill each other for numerous reasons. Those reasons, fully debated on this board, are our history. It ain't pretty, but it's us.
Southerners today champion the courage of those men and women who fought on both sides of the conlict for many overlapping and differing reasons. The facts are the facts and the efforts Neil and others have made to share those facts are a great contribution to our understanding of our own past and an aide to our decisions on what to do with our brief chance at shaping the future. That's the value of this board. May it long endure.
Larry,
Thank you for your kind words and your continued understanding.
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"It ain't pretty, but it's us."
No truer words were ever spoken on this board.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Gimme a break. Johnny stands alone. He showed himself to be a man and a warrior. That's the end of it. Good men. Everyone of them. And I will salute them.
As I have, as I continue to do so, and will always do so.
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But to carry his valiant service into a "the south was right" screed does him a disservice. He was doing what he thought was right. There is no dishonor in that.
None.
Thank you ole, for stating it far better than I ever could.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Not just Southerners, Larry. You won't find a single one of us on the "other" side that does not honor the REB. And the Reb has earned his monuments and his flag. He ought to have them without the stain of freakish racists and other sillies who take his flag and pervert it.
Now. If we could just stick with that, we'd all have a marvelous Christmas. But, you must admit, we get the League of the South and runaway SCV groups who must carry it well past that simple, original mandate. Aside from giving the Reb his due, we must also find excuses for the people who sent him onto the field. And their motivations.
Gimme a break. Johnny stands alone. He showed himself to be a man and a warrior. That's the end of it. Good men. Everyone of them. And I will salute them.
But to carry his valiant service into a "the south was right" screed does him a disservice. He was doing what he thought was right. There is no dishonor in that.
ole
Thank you, sir. All we want is our flag, and our history as Confederates... defending our homes, and our ancient ideas about government...
Watch the movie "300", and see us, there... the 300, awaiting the rest of the Spartans to stop buying into the
Fates, and other nonsense, and come to our aid...
And forget the deal with that devil, Xerxes! It is slavery, and Leonidas knew that!
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