Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Very good. You caught that subtle distinction with Joseph. I am... gratified that you knew the difference!
But you didn't.
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Originally Posted by Beowulf
However, the "South Inventing Slavery" line was as much of an exaggeration as what passes for American History today!
Nobody claims "the south invented slavery." That's just a strawman of your own construction. You feed it. We won't.
Like Battalion, you lose credibility with each post you make. I suggest you start reading what actual historians have written rather than the bilge you've been exposed to thus far.
Are you denying that negro slavery was an institution based on racism, or are you sticking with the 'banished criminal' basis?
Cedarstripper
I can hardly say it was an institution based upon 'racism' since it was the negro himself who started the practice, in Africa!
Playing the 'race card' is not something known until the NORTH got involved in self-righteous abolition! (1832, I believe?)
Those are their beliefs, and are not grounded in the antebellum South, save only in those members of their kind (like Unionist Cotton Whig Liberals such as Stephens) who wanted to have slavery at any cost, including racism.
Despite speeches of the type, which spoke of inferiority, there were freed negros in the South, many more so than at the North.
Liberal Spin is not, unfortunately, limited to the North...
Scalawaggery has always been more distasteful to the South than Yankee-ism!
But it is spin. Racism is spin, for the most part, and a contrivance of the media, as was the reputation the South has labored under, ever since!
Nobody claims "the south invented slavery." That's just a strawman of your own construction. You feed it. We won't.
Like Battalion, you lose credibility with each post you make. I suggest you start reading what actual historians have written rather than the bilge you've been exposed to thus far.
Regards,
Cash
Reread the posts, O' one-sided one! I am allowed to test
anyone, whether they pick up on it, or not.
(Of course, if a man is telling Pharoah what to do, what DOES that make him??! How much was Hillary, and how much is Bill?)... (Stanton and Seward thought they puppeted Lincoln, but we all know it was Her 'satanic majesty' who ran the royal court!)
And when I have time tonight, I will accept UnionBlue's challenge!
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
I can hardly say it was an institution based upon 'racism' since it was the negro himself who started the practice, in Africa!
Proving again you don't understand what you're talking about. The system of slavery as practiced in the antebellum United States, which is wht we're talking about, was race-based. In order to be a slave, one had to first be legally defined as a black person. No one legally defined as white could be held as a slave.
Where did the majority of goods that southerners bought originate? This author doesn't think its Europe.
From DeBow's Review, June, 1858 (emphasis mine)
Sensible Hints to the South
A Virginia paper offers the following: If the delegates to the Southern Convention will take note of a few particulars on their way, perhaps they may find food for reflection more valuable than has hitherto been submitted in resolutions and manifestoes. They will start in some stage or railroad coach made in the North; an engine of Northern manufacture will take their train or boat along; at every meal they will sit down in Yankee chairs, to a Yankee table, spread with a Yankee cloth. With a Yankee spoon they will take from Yankee dishes sugar, salt, and coffee which have paid tribute to Yankee trade, and with Yankee knivesand forks they will put into their mouths the only thing Southern they will get on the trip. At night they will pull off a pair of Yankee boots with a Yankee boot-jack; and throwing a lot of Yankee toggery on a Yankee chair, lie down to dream of Southern independence, in a Yankee bed, with not even a thread of cotton around them that has not gone through a Yankee loom or come out of a Yankee shop. In the morning they will get up to fix themselves by a 12 by 14 Yankee looking-glass, with a Yankee brush and comb, after perhaps washing off a little of the soil of the South from their faces, with water drawn in a Yankee bucket, and put in a Yanikee pitcher, on a Yankee wash-stand, the partner in honorable exile with a lot of Yankee wares that make up the sum of the furniture. Think of these things, gentlemen, and ask yourselves is there no remedy for this dependence? Ask yourselves if there be not some mode of action which will bring about a change and keep your cotton, your wheat, and your tobacco crops from going out of the South, to buy for you the things you must have to be up with the age? Great steamships, and grand expansions, and magnificent speeches will do well enough, but there are little things, and a thousand of them, too, which might have a little attention, and perhaps lead to some small advantages. Could there not be some purpose, some real resolution to encourage not only by precept but by example a little home industry? Could you not buy sometimes a little Southern cotton goods without allowing them to go forward to the North, to get baptism into the true faith of Southern trade? Could you not induce the young maidens and matrons, who call you husbands and fathers, to look upon it as requisite to their principles, that country merchants should get their stocks in Southern ports, instead of turning up their noses at any thing that does not come direct from the fashionable haunts of New York, and Boston, and Philadelphia, and Baltimore, for Baltimore is as little Southern as any of them? Could you not induce your legislature to ameliorate the hard conditions they impose on trade, and think of some other mode of meeting the public necessities than by crippling it in its infancy and weakness, by heavy license laws and severe exactions? We beg you to think of these little things and do something.
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Very good. You caught that subtle distinction with Joseph. I am... gratified that you knew the difference! (I have been to Israel, and to Rachel's Tomb and the Church of the Nativity, et cetera). You pass. There.
However, the "South Inventing Slavery" line was as much of an exaggeration as what passes for American History today!
Dear Beowulf,
The distinction between pharoah and non pharoah is not particularly subtle, but thank you for the compliment. You helpfully quoted my post, in which I state, accurately, that I am not saying that the South invented racism. I referred to the idea of a strawman argument. Yet you repeat the line in the next post that I quote above. Why?
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