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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 07-11-2002, 08:26 PM
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Ron,
"What were the race riots in New York in 1863 all about then? Why did the whites in New York hang African-Americans from lampposts and then set them on fire? Why did they beat them and kick them into insensibility and then hang them or shoot them?"

The same ignorant reaction that today causes grown men to wear white sheets and espouse the rhetoric of racial superiority. The south had no corner on that market in 1860 nor do they have a corner on it today. The riots in New York were brought on by several factors; conscription, lack of work, disillusionment with what was seen as a rich man's ability to avoid the draft. Working class people in New York had no love of blacks and many felt that blacks were at the root of the causes of the war and reacted accordingly.

I have a rather interesting book called "Southern Slavery and the Law" which is a very studious attempt to cover the subject. It is a little bit of a slow read as the author goes into some detail as to the finer legal points of the law but I would highly recommend it for anyone who can wade through the legalities. I have previously posted several things in here under
"Slave Laws" which covers some of this in a little more detail. There were laws such as the one you posted in nearly every southern state at one point or another. The only problem is that slaves could not testify in court, which made it kind of hard to enforce such laws. There were ways in which the southern slavery system when it functioned properly was more humane than the system in the north. However, it was simply impossible to secure any amount of protection for a class of citizens that had no legal standing.
If you are waiting for me to defend the factory system in the North, don't wait too long. Remember, I am a Tennessee ridgerunner by birth and inclination. <smiling>.

Just one more thing; I still believe that any SUCCESSFUL labor system is base on incentives; the corporate system that fostered Enron and Worldcom hardly fit that description as far as I am concerned, and we may be paying for the notoriously UNSUCCESSFUL system that spawned them for quite some time as a result.

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Old 07-16-2002, 12:44 PM
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Can you send me the ISBN for "Southern Slavery and the Law". I want to see if B&amp;N carries it or can order it for me.
Thanks Irish.

Just don't understand where your folks went wrong if you are indeed a Tennessee ridgerunner. Must be from EASTERN Tennessee.

Where do you live today?

my best to you sir,
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Ron,
Southern Slavery and the Law 1619-1860, by Thomas D. Morris. ISBN 0-8078-4817-4.
If I remember correctly, I ordered it through Barnes and Noble.
Actually, I was born in Birmingham, Alabama and grew up in southern middle Tennessee. I presently live in Huntsville, Alabama. As far as where my folks went wrong, I wouldn't put it off on them; some of us are just naturally curious. <grinning>.
I actually came to many of the views that I hold from a lifelong interest in colonial history. I think most people fail to realize how continous the line is between the differences in the north and south in 1787 and their split in 1860.

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Old 07-17-2002, 11:32 AM
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Thank you sir for the info on the book. It is ordered.

Curious? What a quaint term for a turncoat! <smiling,>

and I am more than familiar with the thread of colonial history and how ingrained it is (was - nope is, Foote was right, the past in the South is not history, it is not even past [to paraphrase]) in the Southland.

Huntsville? Anything to do with NASA?

good morning, sir. I go now to pester UnionBlue
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Yes, I work for a contractor doing testing for NASA.
I hope you enjoy the book.

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