Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I think you may be misremembering. That's not lying. Of course, I could very well be mistaken, but it doesn't sound like what I've read on American Memory.
Cash,
You are correct. You could be mistaken. That did come from American Memory. I would not have said it did if I had not checked to verify it.
tommy
Tommy; read it. Take it for what it says. It's not an inflamatory document. It's just another one of your spraying of quirks to try to resolve your mindset. Get real.
Sorry to be so slow in responding. It was not for the lack of desire, trust me. I had my PC die on me. I have since aquired a new one and........I'm Back.
I have read it. Repeatedly. Really.
My spraying of quirks to resolve my mindeset? Get real? Not inflamatory?
We unhesitatingly declare ourselves in favor of the immediate and unconditional Abolition of Slavery.--Page 26.
"We cannot be TOO HASTY in carrying out our designs."--Page 33.
"No man can be a true patriot without first becoming an Abolitionist."--Page 116
Against slaveholders, as a body, we (that is, the Republican signers and endorsers) wage an EXTERMINATING WAR.--Page 120.
. Slaveholders are nuisances, and it is our imperative duty to abate nuisances; we propose, therefore, to EXTERMINATE SLAVERY, that which strychnine itself is less a nuisance.--Page 139.
Slaveholders are more criminal than COMMON MURDERERS--Page 140.
All slaveholders are under the shield of a perpetual license to murder.--Page 141.
It is our honest conviction that all the pro-slavery slaveholders, who are alone responsible for the continuance of the baneful institution among us, deserve to be at once reduced to a parallel with the BASEST CRIMINALS that lie fettered within the cells of our public prisons.--Page 158.
Were it possible that the whole number (of slaveholders) could be gathered together and transferred into four equal gangs of LICENSED ROBBERS, RUFFAINS, THIEVES, AND MURDERERS, society, we feel assured would suffer less from their atrocities than it does now.--Page 158.
Once and forever, at least so far as this country is concerned, the internal question of slavery must be disposed of. A SPEEDY AND ABSOLUTE ABOLISHMENT of the whole system is the true policy of the South, and this is the policy which We propose to pursue.--Page 121.
Slaveholders! It is for you to decide whether we are to have justice peaceably or by VIOLENCE, for WHATEVER CONSEQUENCES may follow, we are determined to have it, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.--Page 128.
Thorough organization and independent political action on the part of non-slaveholding whites of the South.
Ineligibility of slaveholders; never another vote to the trafficer in human flesh.
No co-operation with slaveholders in politics, no fellowship with them in religion no affiliation with them in society.
No patronage to slaveholding merchants; no bequest to slave waiting hotels; no fees to slaveholding lawyers; no employment to slaveholding physicians; no audience to slaveholding parsons.
No recognition to pro slavery men, except as ruffians, outlaws, and criminals.
Immediate DEATH to SLAVERY, or if not immediate, unqualified proscription of its advocate during the period of its existence.--Pages 155 and 156.
Thus, terror engenderers of the South, have we fully and frankly defined our position: we have no modifications to propose, no compromises to offer, nothing to retract, Frown, sirs, fret, foam, prepare your weapons, threat, strike, shoot, stab, bring on civil war, dissolve the Union, nay, annihilate the solar system if you will--do all, this, more, less, better, worse, anything--do what you will, sirs, you can neither foil nor intimidate us; our purpose is as firmly fixed as the eternal pillars of Heaven; we have determined to ABOLISH SLAVERY, AND SO HELP US GOD, ABOLISH IT WE WILL.--Page 187.
That is real. If that is not inflamatory I do not know what is. My god. The book reeks of it. I think I'm not the one with a mindset that needs to dismiss facts to resolve it.
I would like to point out that the desire to forbid slave holders the right to vote alone is heinous and is a national issue. One that the Republicans could well have used. And one the South had no reason to believe They wouldn't have. Cash speaks of the South's rights being protected by the Republicans. The right to be forbidden to vote I suppose.
Helper's use of "we" is perplexing as he doesn't name or refer to others who might support his view. It's much the same as the royal "we are not amused."
You seem to have assigned the "we" to black republicans who signed on to his theory after the fact.
Helper's book is a personal attack on slavery as an impediment to southern development. As a perspective, it seems logical ... a voice crying in the wilderness. And, yes, it was inflamatory, unwanted, rejected and resented.
It makes an interesting (but boring) read and presents telling statistics on the decline of southern industry. However, as a subject of true import, it remains a blip and a minor distraction in the discussion of WHY. Hence, get real.
Sorry to hear of your computer's demise. That really sucks, doesn't it? I'm on my fourth. Thank goodness I have a son who's in the business and has access to last year's leased machines.
Ole
Ole, I would call a regime that has gained power through methods that Rufus Choate referred to as "the very ecstasy of its madness" and had clear control and fully endorsed Helper’s ravings more than a blip. There are websites, books and pamphlets supported by radical anti-abortionists. The ‘Army of God’ types. I know they used to carry the names and photos of doctors that performed abortions. When a doctor was murdered they would proudly put a big red X over the face. That type of thing. Well, if a party got power in the US today and they had openly and gleefully admitted to helping fund these books, websites etc, would that just be a blip? I think not. It would be a clear and dangerous signal.
The Radical Republicans had associated with Radical abolitionists. Immigrant Aid Society shipping weapons to Kansas etc. John Brown had Helper’s book on him when he was captured. I think it was far more than a blip. That is real. Saying first that it wasn’t inflammatory then saying it was or that it is merely me trying to be quirky is what isn’t real. This was a very real, clear message sent to the South. Read how after they endorsed the book one senator said the only congressman who was not carrying a gun or knife was one who was carrying both. I think congress being filled with armed men over this would indicate it was far, far more than a blip.
Against slaveholders, as a body, we (that is, the Republican signers and endorsers) wage an EXTERMINATING WAR.--Page 120.
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No, Tommy. You're misrepresenting this. Those words were written by Helper himself long before any Republican thought of endorsing the book.
I would like to point out that the desire to forbid slave holders the right to vote alone is heinous and is a national issue. One that the Republicans could well have used. And one the South had no reason to believe They wouldn't have. Cash speaks of the South's rights being protected by the Republicans. The right to be forbidden to vote I suppose.
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Again, Tommy, another misrepresentation. That is Helper writing, not Republicans. The Republicans who endorsed the book endorsed it because it was an attack on slavery. That doesn't mean they endorsed every word in it.
Who endorsed the Helper book! Who were the inciters to bloodshed? "The unconditional abolition of slavery", "Peaceably, if we can; violently, if we must." Read? Read? Read ... [New York? 1861?].Go to:Bibliographic Information { page image }
WHO ENDORSED THE HELPER BOOK!
WHO WERE THE INCITERS TO BLOODSHED?
"The Unconditional Abolition of Slavery,"
"Peaceably, if we can; Violently, if we must."
READ! READ! READ!
In the year 1857, an individual named Hinton Rowan Helper, who had been forced to leave his native State, North Carolina, in disgrace, published a book, of which he was the reputed author, entitled "The Impending Crisis," The book recommended direct warfare on Southern society, "be the consequences what they might." It was so extravagant in tone, and so diabolical in its designs, that it was at first generally supposed to be the work of a fool or a madman. No one could believe that any sane or civilized person really entertained any such devilish purposes as it professed.--What, however, was the surprise of the public when the book was actually adopted by the Republican party as a campaign document, and its atrocious principles endorsed by SIXTY-EIGHT Republican members of Congress and all the influential members of the party! Below will be found an abstract of the principles it advocated, taken from the large edition of the work, published by A. B. Burdick, No. 145 Nassau street, N. Y., 1860, and the names of their endorsers, &c:
1. We unhesitatingly declare ourselves in favor of the immediate and unconditional Abolition of Slavery.--Page 26.
2. "We cannot be TOO HASTY in carrying out our designs."--Page 33.
3. "No man can be a true patriot without first becoming an Abolitionist."--Page 116
4. Against slaveholders, as a body, we (that is, the Republican signers and endorsers) wage an EXTERMINATING WAR.--Page 120.
5. Slaveholders are nuisances, and it is our imperative duty to abate nuisances; we propose, therefore, to EXTERMINATE SLAVERY, that which strychnine itself is less a nuisance.--Page 139.
6. Slaveholders are more criminal than COMMON MURDERERS--Page 140.
7. All slaveholders are under the shield of a perpetual license to murder.--Page 141.
8. It is our honest conviction that all the pro-slavery slaveholders, who are alone responsible for the continuance of the baneful institution among us, deserve to be at once reduced to a parallel with the BASEST CRIMINALS that lie fettered within the cells of our public prisons.--Page 158.
9. Were it possible that the whole number (of slaveholders) could be gathered together and transferred into four equal gangs of LICENSED ROBBERS, RUFFAINS, THIEVES, AND MURDERERS, society, we feel assured would suffer less from their atrocities than it does now.--Page 158.
10. Once and forever, at least so far as this country is concerned, the internal question of slavery must be disposed of. A SPEEDY AND ABSOLUTE ABOLISHMENT of the whole system is the true policy of the South, and this is the policy which We propose to pursue.--Page 121.
11. Slaveholders! It is for you to decide whether we are to have justice peaceably or by VIOLENCE, for WHATEVER CONSEQUENCES may follow, we are determined to have it, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.--Page 128.
We Unfurl Our Banner to the World.
Inscribed on the banner which we (W. H. SEWARD, HORACE GREELEY, and the other endorsers,) herewith UNFURL to the world, with the full and fixed determination to stand by it or DIE BY IT, unless one of more virtuous efficacy shall be presented, are the mottoes which, in substance, embody the PRINCIPLES as we conceive should GOVERN us.
The Mottoes on Our Banner.
1. Thorough organization and independent political action on the part of non-slaveholding whites of the South.
2. Ineligibility of slaveholders; never another vote to the trafficer in human flesh.
3. No co-operation with slaveholders in politics, no fellowship with them in religion no affiliation with them in society.
4. No patronage to slaveholding merchants; no bequest to slave waiting hotels; no fees to slaveholding lawyers; no employment to slaveholding physicians; no audience to slaveholding parsons.
5. No recognition to pro slavery men, except as ruffians, outlaws, and criminals.
6. Immediate DEATH to SLAVERY, or if not immediate, unqualified proscription of its advocate during the period of its existence.--Pages 155 and 156.
7. Thus, terror engenderers of the South, have we fully and frankly defined our position: we have no modifications to propose, no compromises to offer, nothing to retract, Frown, sirs, fret, foam, prepare your weapons, threat, strike, shoot, stab, bring on civil war, dissolve the Union, nay, annihilate the solar system if you will--do all, this, more, less, better, worse, anything--do what you will, sirs, you can neither foil nor intimidate us; our purpose is as firmly fixed as the eternal pillars of Heaven; we have determined to ABOLISH SLAVERY, AND SO HELP US GOD, ABOLISH IT WE WILL.--Page 187.
Here are the endorsers, aiders and abettors of this Revolution and Treason.
New York, March 9, 1859.
Dear Sir.--If you have read and critically examined the work, you will probably agree with us that no course of argument so successfully controverting the practice of slavery in the United States, and enforcing a precise and adequate view of its protrating effects, material and moral, has equalled that of the volume entitled "The Impending Crisis of the South; How to meet it," by Hinton Rowan Helper, of North Carolina.*..........*..........*..........*....... ...*
Correspondence or personal interview in relation to this enterprise may be had with any one of the undersigned, who will be pleased to receive subscriptions in aid of its speedy consummation.
An early response from you is respectfully solicited.
Wm. H. Anthon, Treasurer,
16 Exchange Place, New York.
S. E. Sewell, Boston, Mass.
S. Padelford, Providence.
W. B. Thomas, Philadelphia.
W. McCauley, Wilmington.
Wm. Gunnison, Baltimore.
L. Clephane, Washington,
Cassius M. Clay, Whitehall.
F. P. Blair, Jr., St. Louis.
The undersigned having been appointed a committee in New York, to aid in the circulation of Mr. Helper's book, on the plan proposed above beg leave to recommend the subject to the public and ask their co-operation.
Subscriptions may be sent to the Hon. Wm. H. Anthon, No. 16 Exchange Place, New York, directly or through either of the undersigned committee.
Charles W. Elliot,
C. A. Peabody,
R. H. McCurdy,
Edgar Ketchum,
James Kelly,
David Dudley Field,
James A. Briggs,
Wm. Curtis Noyes,
Abram Wakeman,
Benj. F. Mannierre.
Mr. Seward's Endorsement.
Auburn, June 28, 1857.
Gentlemen.--I have received from you a copy of your recent publication, entitled the "Impending Crisis of the South," and have read it with deep attention. It seems to me a work of great merit, rich, yet accurate in statistical information and logical analysis, and I do not doubt that it will exert a great influence on the public mind, in favor of the cause of Truth and Justice.
I am, gentlemen, very respectfully,
Your ob't servant,
W. H. SEWARD.
We, the undersigned, members of the House of Representatives of the National Congress, do cordially endorse the opinion and approve the enterprise set forth in the foregoing circular:--
It is believed that this testimony of a southern man, born and reared under the influence of slavery will be more generally listened to and profoundly heeded, whether in the slave or free states, than an equally able and conclusive work written by a northern man. And it is very desirable therefore, that a cheap compend of its contents fitted for gratuitous circulation be now made and generally diffused in those States--Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Indiana and Illinois--which are to decide the next Presidential contest.
Horace Greeley,
B. S. Hedrick,
John A. Kennedy,
Thurlow Weed,
J. C. Underwood,
Wm. Henry Anthon,
E. Delafield Smith,
James Kelley, Chairman State Cen. Com.
John Jay,
Marcus Spring,
Abram Wakeman,
Wm. C. Bryant,
R. H. McCurdy.
In aid of the general fund for circulating one hundred thousand copies of the work in hand, subscriptions up to the 15th of June 1859, amount to about $3,700 of which the following, as will respectively appear, have been received in sums of from $10 to $250.
Beers, Abner, New York city,..........$ 10
Bonney, B. W. " "..........100
Brown, Nicholas, Warwick, R.I...........100
Burdick, Asher B. Brooklyn, N. Y...........100
Clark, James Freeman, Jamaica Plains, Mas...........10
Clay, Cassius M. Whitehall, Ky...........25
Clay, Cassius M. for a Kentucky clergyman,..........250
Clay, Cassius M. for several persons,..........10
Darrah, Robert L. New York city,..........10
Dudley, E. G. Boston, Ms...........50
Endicott, William Jr. Boston, Mass...........100
Farnham, Jonathan, Milville, Mass...........10
Fiske, Edward F. Brooklyn, N. Y...........100
Fosdick, Samuel, Cincinnati, Ohio,..........10
French, Stiles, New Haven, Con...........10
Frisbie, M. J. New York city,..........100
Frothingham, O. B. Jersey City,..........100
Goodloe, D. R. and friend, Washington, D.C...........16
Greeley, Horace, New York city,..........100
Greenleaf, R. C. Boston, Mass...........50
Harris, Edward, Woonsocket, R. I...........100
Henrick, Benjamin S. New York city,..........50
Helper, H. R. New York city,..........100
Hurlbut, F. Brooklyn, N. Y...........25
Jay, John, New York city,..........100
Ketcham, Edgar, New York city,..........25
McCauley, Wm. Wilmington, Del...........10
Marble, Nathan, Port Byron, N. Y...........10
May, Samuel, Boston, Ms...........100
Morgan, Edwin D. Albany, N. Y...........100
Nesmite, John, Lowell, Ms...........100
Norton, John T. Farmington, Ct...........100
Parsons, J. C. New York,..........10
Pinner, M., Kansas City, Mo...........10
Plumly, Benjamin Rush, Philadelphia, Pa...........100
Randolph, Evan, Philadelphia, Pa...........20
Republicans of Pottsville and N. Coventry, Pa. $40. Crown Point, N. Y, $11,..........51
Republicans of Shawnee Mound, $20. South Bend, Ind. $10,..........30
Roberts, W. S. New York city,..........10
Robinson, Hanson, New Castle Co. Del...........20
Ryerson, David, Newton, N.J...........64
Sherman, S. N. Ogdensburgh, N. Y...........32
Smith, Gerrit, Peterboro, N. Y...........20
Spring, Marcus, Eagleswood, N. J...........100
Stober, John A., Smyrna, N. Y.,..........10
Stranahan, J. S. T., Brooklyn, N. Y.,..........100
Tappan, Lewis, Brooklyn, N. Y.,..........100
Thompson, Wm. B., Philadelphia, Pa.,..........100
Tweedy, Edmund, Newport, R. I.,..........10
Wadsworth, James S., New York City,..........100
Wakeman, Abram, New York City,..........100
Weed, Thurlow, Albany N. Y.,..........100
White, Aaron, Thompson, Conn.,..........10
Wright, E. N. and James A., Philadelphia, Pa...........30
Wood, Bradford R., Albany, N. Y.,..........100
A. A., $50; B. B., $50; C. C., $10; D. D., $10; E. $20; F. F., $25, North Carolina,..........165
S. F. M., Wilmington, Del.,..........10
A friend, by S. E. Sewell, Boston, Mass., $10; E. B., Brooklyn, N. Y., $25..........35
Total,..........3,518
Such is the record! We now ask, in all candor, whether these men, the leaders of the Republican Party, who endorsed and circulated the above book, are not morally, before High Heaven, responsible for the revolution and bloodshed which has followed? If they really intended to carry out their cowardly designs, when they got into power, then every honorable man will justify the South in taking such measures as she thought would ensure her safety. If they did not intend to carry out these THREATS, they are none the less responsible, for what has followed for they CONVINCED and ALARMED the South that they DID intend to carry them out. There is, therefore, no escape for them as being JUSTLY AND MAINLY RESPONSIBLE for our present CIVIL WAR.--Will any one dare to assert that these men are not the leaders of the Republican party? Look over the names and see whether nearly all are not high priests at present to the party now engaged in carrying out THE VERY PROGRAMME TO WHICH THEY PLEDGED THEMSELVES? The author of this atrocious book now holds a position under Mr. Lincoln's administration. Wm. H. Seward, who declared it a work of "GREAT MERIT," is Mr. Lincoln's Secretary of State; L. Clephane, {Omitted text, 1w} another endorser, is Postmaster of that city; C. A. Peabody, of New York, is now Judge of Mr. Lincoln's Courts in New Orleans; David Dudley Field and Mr. Curtis Noyes broke up the Peace Convention; Abram Wakeman, another endorser, is rewarded with the position of Postmaster of New York. A number are still members of Congress. Some are really FIGHTING to carry out their principles as they said they would, like Frank Blair, of Missouri, and S. R. Curtis, of Iowa.--Most of them, however, are content to hold civil positions, and spend their time in coaxing, or drafting Democrats to do the fighting. Yet all, in one way or another, are vigorously at work to make good their assertion, "WE WERE DETERMINED TO ABOLISH SLAVERY, AND SO HELP US GOD, ABOLISH IT WE WILL." Can the people be any longer deceived as to who are justly responsible, before God, for our present horrible fratricidal, and devastating negro equality, CIVIL WAR?
[???] THURLOW WEED, the "Father of the Republican party," testified, at the outbreak of civil war, that this HELPER BOOK had done more than any one agency to exasperate and drive off the South; and, that the loss of North Carolina, if not other States, could be proved to be due wholly to the infernal doctrines of this book.
No, Tommy. You're misrepresenting this. Those words were written by Helper himself long before any Republican thought of endorsing the book.
So by your logic, if a political party endorsed Mein Kampf it would not be what the party stood for since they did not pen it? They merely endorsed it and paid to have it distributed free but that would mean nothing? How am I misrepresenting Anything? Is it your contention they did not endorse it?
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