Manifest Destiny, Glory Hallelujah, and the trampling of grapes

[johan_steele]

Star Wars as a historical parallel... that is choice and not unexpected. Hollywood as history and political commentary. hmmm one Hollywoods "finest" directors was a pedaphile wasn't he... extreme liberalism w/ truth and fact. I think I would as soon as cite the NY Times as a pillar of Journalistic integrity

On another thread long ago in the ages past of the old board I provided a precise timeline showing the distinct intent of the CS to begin military operations against the US...

Hal or Aphillbilly, do either of you happen to have Lincoln's specific "word of honor" that he would not act to protect the interests and citizens of the US from all enemies... foreign and domestic?

Still never have received a viable answer as to why 100,000 troops were called for by Mr Davis (a former secretary of War who was quite familiar w/ the disposition and deployment of the US Army) if he had no intentions but peaceful ones. Davis Honorable? A man who had already ignored and broken his oath and word of honor, a man who attacked his nation and took great pains to tear it asunder. Honorable word from him? In the words of some Neo-Confederates should an agreement w/ him have meant anything if it was evident he intended to break his own word as he already had? Oathes don't mean anything to some... so even if Lincoln had given his word of honor (which he hadn't) that he would not honor his own oathes why should his oath or word of honor meant more than that of Davis?

[hawglips]

Originally Posted by aphillbilly

Ole,

...a wonderful source document timeline thingee leading up to the firing on Sumter. You might try looking for it. It is really good. I have no idea which thread it was on or how long ago. Maybe months, maybe years.

If memory serves me correctly, it's somewhere near the beginning of the "newspaper articles, etc of the day" thread.

Hal

[hawglips]

Originally Posted by johan_steele

Hal or Aphillbilly, do either of you happen to have Lincoln's specific "word of honor" that he would not act to protect the interests and citizens of the US from all enemies... foreign and domestic?

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Hal

[johan_steele]

Not what I asked Hal...

do either of you happen to have Lincoln's specific "word of honor" that he would not act to protect the interests and citizens of the US from all enemies... foreign and domestic?

[ole]

Hal:

"If memory serves me correctly, it's somewhere near the beginning of the "newspaper articles, etc of the day" thread."

I think I found what you were referring to and it doesn't apply. But I really appreciate your giving the hint that helped find it. Thank you.
Ole

[whitworth]

No it was the Confederate army marching into the teeth of undamaged AoP artillery, particularly the Reserve Artillery of the AoP under Major McGilvery and General Hunt on Cemetery Ridge.
When an army walks into an ambush, like Pickett did, the good Lord never has to do anything.