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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 01-05-2005, 08:17 AM
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Early in 1856 arrangements were entered into with H. C. Kimball for a contract to carry the mail between Independence, Missouri, and Salt Lake City. Young saw in this the nucleus of a big company that would maintain a daily express and mail service to and from the Mormon centre, and he at once organized the Brigham Young Express Carrying Company, and had it commended to the people from the pulpit. But recent disclosures of Mormon methods and purposes had naturally caused the government to question the propriety of confiding the Utah and transcontinental mails to Mormon hands, and on June 10, 1857, Kimball was notified that the government would not execute the contract with him, "the unsettled state of things at Salt Lake City rendering the mails unsafe under present circumstances." Mormon writers make much of the failure to execute this mail contract as an exciting cause of the "war." Tullidge attributes the action of the administration to three documents--a letter from Mail Contractor W. M. F. Magraw to the President, describing the situation in Utah, Judge Drummond's letter of resignation, and a letter from Indian Agent T. S. Twiss, dated July 13, 1856, informing the government that a large Mormon colony had taken possession of Deer Creek Valley, only one hundred miles west of Fort Laramie, driving out a settlement of Sioux whom the agent had induced to plant corn there, and charging that the Mormon occupation was made with a view to the occupancy of the country, and "under cover of a contract of the Mormon church to carry the mails."* Tullidge's statement could be made with hope of its acceptance only to persons who either lacked the opportunity or inclination to ascertain the actual situation in Utah and the President's sources of information.


* All these may be found in House Ex. Doc. No. 71, 1st Session, 35th Congress.
As to the mails, no autocratic government like that of Brigham Young would neglect to make what use it pleased of them in its struggle with the authorities at Washington. As early as November, 1851, Indian Agent Holman wrote to the Indian commissioner at Washington from Salt Lake City: "The Gentiles, as we are called who do not belong to the Mormon church, have no confidence in the management of the post-office here. It is believed by many that there is an examination of all letters coming and going, in order that they may ascertain what is said of them and by whom it is said. This opinion is so strong that all communications touching their character or conduct are either sent to Bridger or Laramie, there to be mailed. I send this communication through a friend to Laramie, to be there mailed for the States."

Testimony on this point four years later, from an independent source, is found in a Salt Lake City letter, of November 3, 1855, to the New York Herald. The writer said: "From September 5, to the 27th instant the people of this territory had not received any news from the States except such as was contained in a few broken files of California papers.... Letters and papers come up missing, and in the same mail come papers of very ancient dates; but letters once missing may be considered as irrevocably lost. Of all the numerous numbers of Harper's, Gleason's, and other illustrated periodicals subscribed for by the inhabitants of this territory, not one, I have been informed, has ever reached here."


This is from William Linn's History of the Mormons. I tried to find the source stated but was unable to. That is not to say they are not there. Just between my not feeling well and my PC I was unable to do more than merely a cursory search.


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Old 01-10-2005, 01:38 PM
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Just a couple points.

UT was still part of Mexico, not the US, when the Mormons got there in 1847. They got there on their own, and built it up on their own, and weren't overly excited about the prospects of being persecuted some more in their new home in the Rockies.

I'm not sure how a territory could legally "secede" even if they had suggested such, which they didn't. The Mormons were accustomed to fending for themselves since they got no help from the feds when persecution got bad.

UT was acquired from Mexico by force, and was not a State at the time of the "Mormon War. The Mormons had left the good ole US of A to get away from hostile neighbors and a federal government that wasn't interested in protecting their rights to exist and worship as they saw fit. While still in the US, the Mormon leaders were in favor of a stronger central government which would protect them from hostile local and State governments, not a weaker one from which they could secede.

The governor of MO, Boggs, even issued an "extermination order" against the Mormons living there. The US government wouldn't do anything to help, in spite of the Mormons' pleas for protection. The Mormons physically left the USA to get away from a bad situation.

An entirely different situation than States who founded or joined the Union electing to withdraw themselves from it.

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Old 01-14-2005, 03:11 PM
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This leads us to the obvious question:

Why was it so important for the feds to make this show of force and authority over those that were victims of a deaf US government when it came to protecting their constitutional and human rights while within the US borders?

Manifest Destiny? The "twin barbarisms?"

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Hal:

Territories were the property of the U.S. government. What happened in that territory concerned that government. Utah was making noises that did not please that government. Hence, the show of force.

You seem to entertain the idea that logic had something to do with it. This was politics; logic didn't occur to anyone in power.
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The news that the US army was heading to Utah shocked the Mormons. They thought, "oh, no, here we go again," and left the Salt Lake valley with barns full of straw and men with axes and torches at the ready to destroy all the homes and orchards and farms in the event they were to be kicked out of their homes and communities yet again.

Here's a perspective on the "war" that the National Park Service et al don't give:

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utahwar.html

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