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Civil War History - Secession and Politics Was it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.

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Old 12-22-2005, 07:23 AM
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Unionblue,

There's plenty of books written lately which attempt to completely discredit the South and her cause of 1861-1865. The 'Southern cause' appears to be under attack more today than in 1864. This is very interesting.

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Old 12-22-2005, 01:46 PM
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Cash,

Found an interesting book concerning 'terrorists' that I thought you and RebProf might be interested in. You can find it at the following web site:

http://www.cw-book-news.com/release%...-12/dirty.html
Neil, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Rather a salacious title, don't you think? I don't know anything about Jane Singer, so I don't know what her qualifications are or what her background is.

This seems to be a compilation of some rather well-known incidents such as the attempted burning of New York City and the plot by Dr. Blackburn to try to spread smallpox in the North. Don't know if there's anything really new here.

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There's plenty of books written lately which attempt to completely discredit the South and her cause of 1861-1865.

Mississippi did that quite thoroughly in 1861. "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery."

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My understanding is Mississippi dinstinguished herself quite well in 1861. Perhaps you've been reading too many neo-union history books. :-)

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My understanding is Mississippi dinstinguished herself quite well in 1861. Perhaps you've been reading too many neo-union history books. :-)
If you consider the Mississippi Declaration of Causes to be a "Neo-Union history book."

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If you consider the Mississippi Declaration of Causes to be a "Neo-Union history book."

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Good one, Cash!

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Old 12-22-2005, 05:25 PM
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If you consider the Mississippi Declaration of Causes to be a "Neo-Union history book."

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Cash,
Well, since Lincoln tricked Davis into ordering the firing on Fort Sumter, he was probably clever enough to trick the secessionists into saying that they were seceding to preserve slavery, when they really didn't mean that at all!

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Well, since Lincoln tricked Davis into ordering the firing on Fort Sumter, he was probably clever enough to trick the secessionists into saying that they were seceding to preserve slavery, when they really didn't mean that at all!

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Ah, I see, now, Marc. And he obviously tricked Stephen Hale and the rest of the secession commissioners into saying what they said, that secession was necessary to protect slavery, instead of what they really felt.

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Cash & Marc,

Are you both aware of the theory that slavery was not the point at all, that it was about tariffs but those poor average Southern citizens could not grasp that fact, so slavery was substituted for the reason for secession?

And, I have swampland available if you gentlemen are ready to swollow that one.

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Cash & Marc,

Are you both aware of the theory that slavery was not the point at all, that it was about tariffs but those poor average Southern citizens could not grasp that fact, so slavery was substituted for the reason for secession?

And, I have swampland available if you gentlemen are ready to swollow that one.

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If it was the tariffs, I can imagine that they would have been embarrassed to say so, since, as Cash has pointed out, Southern ports paid only 10% of the tariffs in 1860. Now, where did you say that swampland was?

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