Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
I am still looking for my flashlight. Could you shed some light on your statement above?
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
For some reason I thought there was a discussion in recent months re gun-bullets-murder-responsibility.
The belief being that if you knew a man was going to commit murder and you provided the bullets to do so, then you were just as guilty as the man that pulled the trigger. My thought was, for some reason, that it was you that said it. I tried a ‘search’ of the forum but I must confess, while I dearly love the new forum, the search feature has me completely bumfuzzled. If it wasn’t you said it, I apologize for the question. I begin now to wonder if I even read it or imagined it. A not uncommon occurrence in my life. I did not miss the decadence but I do miss it
Bows deeply to Dawna......Thank You. My sanity was in question and you saved me.
Neil, it is on 2nd, 9th & 10th Amendment Thread.
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03-13-2005, 07:19 PM In my opinion, with as little legal background as 'Law & Order' series will provide, I view the supplier of the bullets as just as guilty as the man who pulls the trigger.
03-12-2005, 08:16 PM The bullet theory is mine, not Cash's.
Ok. I was involved in other things at the time (Helper and being told I was....grrrrrrrr) and really wasn't following this. But regardless of legal opinion, is this your personal belief?
Sorry, I took your question out of context and thought you were refering to the post I gave concerning Frederick Douglass.
I think what I said concerning the man providing the bullets for another man's gun who planned to commit a murder was something to this effect; the man who provided the bullets knew that the man with the gun was going to commit a murder but gave him the bullets anyway.
That help at all?
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
I don't believe that slavery was the direct cause of the war but it had its influences. There were several differences between the North & the South including political, economical and cultural. I believe that the war was caused by a summation of all the above.Mike
__________________ A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal ~ Oscar Wilde, 19th Century writer & poet
I don't believe that slavery was the direct cause of the war but it had its influences. There were several differences between the North & the South including political, economical and cultural. I believe that the war was caused by a summation of all the above.Mike
Greetings, Mike.
What do you say about Mississippi's telling us, "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery?" [Mississippi Declaration of Causes]
Or Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, telling us, "The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution." [Alexander Stephens, 21 Mar 1861, Savannah, Georgia]
Or Lawrence M. Keitt in the South Carolina Secession Convention saying, "Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it." [Lawrence M. Keitt, South Carolina Secession Convention, 22 Dec 1860]
I agree with Cash on this one. It's a rare opportunity for me to say that. :-)
Mike and Dawna - there are certainly other reasons why the south wanted independence; economic issues, tariffs, stubborn pride, etc. But I believe that all of the 'other reasons' would have resolved themselves in the normal course of the political process. Slavery is the one cause sufficient to result in secession. IMO, without it, secession never happens.
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