Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
That is exactly what I meant. You are exactly right.
Beowulf
So, slavery WAS the cause of the Civil War.
Whew! Glad we got that one settled!
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Battalion, the South did and they were willing to start a war over them.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
Exactly so. As Johan said, the South did, hence secession. The North wasn't anywhere close to going to war over slavery. What they had was some vocal and powerless screeching against slavery. Somehow, that got translated into a threat which got translated into a bubbling cauldron.
The "provocation" was not more than we're looking at today with abortion or the separation of church and state. There is vocal opposition. Although the opposition is not so one-sided as it was in regard to slavery, it is approximately at the same level. We live with it. The slaveocracy turned it into something it wasn't. And started a war.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
The South went to war because of the overly overt oppressive intentions of the radical Republicans and their sychophant Lincoln.
Beowulf caught my "tongue in cheek" drift. I was fixin' to use horses as an example.
Horses have always had a rather unique station in our society. For more than 5000 years they've cleared our fields, plowed our fields, carried our crops to market, carried us and all of our stuff all over the world. They've carried us into and out of battle and literally saved our lives over and over and over again.
I love horses. I love my horses. I wouldn't sell my horse for $10,000. That being said, if you've got $7500 in cash, open up your trailer.
Did you all know there's an impending crisis on horses in this country. There's more of them now than there's been since the invention of the automobile. You can't get rid of them. The government has shut down ALL of the nation's horse slaughter houses. You can't give horses away in some places. In some places you've got to pay to ship them off to Mexico or Canada just to get rid of them.
What's a guy to do?
Last year's hay crop was devasated due to cold weather in April. This year's hay crop is underwater. Horses are going to starve.
This is fact folks. The government's policies coupled with widespread natural disasters have combined to create a perfect storm type situation in the equine industry. Horses are going to starve. People can't afford to feed themselves let alone their ponies.
What's a guy to do?
What would you do with a worn out old gelding? What would you do with a horse that's stepped into a hole? What would you do with a mean SOB that bites your daughter and nobody can ride?
Let 'em starve?
I contend that it'd be better to march 'em off onto the back forty, knock 'em in the head and push 'em in a hole.
But you can't do that either. The government will lock you up for inhumane treatment of animals.
Horses, cattle = slaves/ black people... typical. "I contend that it'd be better to march 'em off onto the back forty, knock 'em in the head and push 'em in a hole." Some slaveowners did exactly that.
I will have that scotch now.
__________________ Few take the trouble to understand or to view the American scene with perspective. And we Americans love to find ourselves guilty of something. However, it is never I who am guilty, but those other Americans, the past or present government or the other political party. Americans almost never find other countries guilty. It is always ourselves or our fancied influence in other countries. Louis L'amour
I believe they considered the issues of insurrection, slaughter, subjugation (extermination) more than that of a ballgame.
As of Dec.1 1860 which of these was happening to the people of the deep Southern States, and Especially the 1st states to Secede.
Who was in insurrection in the South in 1860.
Who was being slaughtered in the South in 1860.
Extermination is the very extreme end of Subjugation.
Therefore, Who were the people being Exterminated.
Along with this same question, were any of the Unionist of the Southern States involved directly, or indirectly, in 1860, to exterminating the Southerners supposely being Exterminated.
Who was Exterminating these Southern people Can you show the documentation of these events, and where it was taking place.
Can you document, at least the Intent, to Exterminate (your words) All of the Southern White people, in order to free the Slaves.
You simply had to go South of the Mason-Dixon to see who did care about slaves.
The historical paper is too long to ignore and should not be, even in this day and age.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
OGW. Fred and Barney are going to have to rely on the resource of their owner.Sometimes the magic works. Just like we're all going to have to live with $4 plus per gallon. Fred and Barney are going to take your last dime. Next year might be better. Maybe not. You chose to have them. The piper gets paid.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
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