Slavery; THE Cause?

[diddyriddick]

"A kid who takes his ball and goes home because he doesn't get his way is an annoyance. A group who tries to divide the country because they don't get their way are insurrectionists."

And in my view the southern states behaved every bit as petulantly as the child in our analogy.

[Battalion]

Originally Posted by diddyriddick

"A kid who takes his ball and goes home because he doesn't get his way is an annoyance. A group who tries to divide the country because they don't get their way are insurrectionists."

And in my view the southern states behaved every bit as petulantly as the child in our analogy.

I believe they considered the issues of insurrection, slaughter, subjugation (extermination) more than that of a ballgame.

[OpnDownfall]

No Battalion, in fact they thought through the consequences of their acts very little. They assumed their cause was righteous, thus could not fail.

[Scribe]

Originally Posted by OpnDownfall

No Battalion, in fact they thought through the consequences of their acts very little. They assumed their cause was righteous, thus could not fail.

What he said.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by unionblue

Beowulf,

Your three posts above are nothing more than an attempt by a broken, old man trying desperately to justify himself to history "after the fact."

History shows otherwise.

Unionblue

So, let's hear where 'History shows otherwise'...

Don't prevaricate, sir.

I. personally, want to hear the FALL AND RISE of the YANKEEE GOVERNMENT, by the followers of A. LINCOLN, ESQUIRE, and late of the Second Party, and its rise to power in a 'representative republic'.

Regale me, Sire!

I beg a boon of thee!

Beowulf

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by diddyriddick

" A group who tries to divide the country because they don't get their way are insurrectionists."

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That would be the abolitionists, then...

Are they treating you well, where you live? I mean, I assume you don't just keep these opinions for us, but
have them among your fellow TAR HEELS...

You DO know about TAR HEELS, don't you?

I don't go into the Yankee North and start in on their
'sectional charms'... but then, I would never live among them, either.

And if they took over down here, I would leave.

Permanently.




I'm serious.



So, how do you stand it down there?

Beowulf

[OldGreyWolf]

I usually don't jump into discussions regarding slavery becuase it is such a heated and misunderstood subject and my thoughts on the matter are somewhat extreme.

I've said before on this forum, I'm glad they did away with slavery. It was a flawed economic system to begin with. Most certainly as it was practiced on this continent. I think perhaps as it were practiced on the central and south American continents and in the west indies, it was much more viable.

Perhaps this would be a good question for the "What If" catagorey. If the moderators think it appropriate, maybe they can move it for me.

What If the Southern Aristocrats, Sugar, Rice and Cotton Kings and Tobacco Plantation Owners had put to death one third of their slave population? I say one third because old and infirmed and disgurntled slaves might have amounted to one third of the population. What if they had marched them off onto the back forty and knocked them in the head and buried them in a big hole?

They were their property. They could do with them as they saw fit. Right?

What would the abolitionists have said about that type of situation? They would've had to have come around to it, don't you think?

Secession was a bad idea. The southerners should've just marched their old,worn out, injured, trouble maker slaves out and put 'em down. They wouldn't have had to fight that war at all.

[diddyriddick]

"...my thoughts on the matter are somewhat extreme."

I'd say that's a fair assessment.

[Beowulf]

Originally Posted by OldGreyWolf

I usually don't jump into discussions regarding slavery becuase it is such a heated and misunderstood subject and my thoughts on the matter are somewhat extreme.

I've said before on this forum, I'm glad they did away with slavery. It was a flawed economic system to begin with. Most certainly as it was practiced on this continent. I think perhaps as it were practiced on the central and south American continents and in the west indies, it was much more viable.

Perhaps this would be a good question for the "What If" catagorey. If the moderators think it appropriate, maybe they can move it for me.

What If the Southern Aristocrats, Sugar, Rice and Cotton Kings and Tobacco Plantation Owners had put to death one third of their slave population? I say one third because old and infirmed and disgurntled slaves might have amounted to one third of the population. What if they had marched them off onto the back forty and knocked them in the head and buried them in a big hole?

They were their property. They could do with them as they saw fit. Right?

What would the abolitionists have said about that type of situation? They would've had to have come around to it, don't you think?

Secession was a bad idea. The southerners should've just marched their old,worn out, injured, trouble maker slaves out and put 'em down. They wouldn't have had to fight that war at all.

Let's say that you are a businessman who owns a cattle slaughter house.

Let's say that the Left takes over in Washington City, and
decree that PETA wants to turn the entire country into vegans and ovo-lacto vegetarians because slaughter houses are cruel...

Now, the Soybean Barons have for years sought to provide the nation's protein, but cow meat is just too good and most REAL people think anything else is just wimpy...

So, the attempts to vilify red meat, as an excuse, medically, have fallen on deaf ears, and
now the only thing to do is just pull a Volstead Act and
get some elected idiot to illegalize it and tell the nation THEY MUST NOW OBEY.

Well, first of all, you'd expect compensation... even though your business will fail and it (governmental assistance) won't near cover what you got in it...

And now, they are saying that it was IMMORAL for you to ever run a slaughter house which routinely clocked these poor beasts on the head with a high-pressure steel piston... SO YOU DON'T GET ANYTHING FOR YOUR ENTERPRISE. You may as well have been a drug dealer for all you will get back on the business..., which, by the way, you paid taxes on, and still must continue to pay on... the buildings and so forth...

And you also own a few cattle, which now are absolutely WORTHLESS when they 'go fresh' or stop producing milk...

But you are stuck with them... only you can't kill them and eat them because of the rule... Nor can you sell them under the table to the black market...


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.... because of the 'durned revenoors'! And the Left are after milk, next, anyway...

That was what the Southern slaver faced with these idiots in Washington City...

Uncle Remus was not the problem; the Left was...


as usual.


Now, let's take this one step further, and say that Virginia is refusing to command you to kneel before this New World Order...

And so they NULLIFY this garbage, and end up leaving the Union over it...

Now, the Federals are trying to send in troops to destroy everything in sight...

You didn't agree with leaving the Union, necessarily, but you do agree that the state of Virginia is acting in your best interests... and are the only ones right now doing anything to protect you from 'the yankee nation of extortioners'...


So you go Confederate...



EXAMPLE:

Your girlfriend slices an apple, feeds you a bite, which you willingly eat...and she says, smiling at you...

"See how easy that was?"


*******

It wasn't Eve's fault; it was Satan's. He just used Eve to get the job done.

We forget that the general government caused the problems during this time period, like they ALWAYS do, when the Left gets a foothold... SLAVERY just became THE EXCUSE.

Read Jefferson Davis Chapter X again. He says it better...


Beowulf

[matthew mckeon]

I would make the unremarkable point that human beings aren't cattle. It's an obvious point but one that doesn't seem to occur to some people.

So you accept that Southern fears about interference with slavery drove them to secede? It made not be what you meant, but it is what you wrote.