Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Who am I to argue w/ the world's leading Economist of the day... and a contemporary of the War.
Certainly not someone familiar with his life, ( he certainly was not the Uk leading economist still less the worlds) he went down to defeat in the HoP on this, lost in public to Dickens and went into retirement after he wanted to, and attempted to have, slaves burnt alive, who rose up on planations he owned in the caribean.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Interesting, Mr. Steele. I note that secession happened, it was said, because Lincoln was elected President and I do not see anything which says "woe unto us, for there is a New President, and he shall increase the tariffs upon our land and we shall be destitute."
Actauly you would had you read the fiscal policy of the republicans who introduced the Morril tarrif as part of what your going to get if you vote for us and was in place in 1860, which was part of why many secceded in the first palce and said so in the theirr causes for secesion.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
The Morill Tariff was little more than a continuation of the tariff of 1857. It was necessary because the government was broke. And it bit the northern consumer equally as much as the southern consumer. If it had been more benign than the previous tariff, the secessions still would have taken place.
The ultras in the south wanted out and used the tariff as propaganda and as a whitewash for European observers. So. Why did they want out?
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
The Morill Tariff was little more than a continuation of the tariff of 1857. It was necessary because the government was broke. And it bit the northern consumer equally as much as the southern consumer. If it had been more benign than the previous tariff, the secessions still would have taken place.
The ultras in the south wanted out and used the tariff as propaganda and as a whitewash for European observers. So. Why did they want out?
ole
Because of wht they said they wanted out, since the effects of the traiff are not neutral, with the best will in the world the cause and effect of teh ytraiff cannot be equal to all end users, the South was comming of a decade of economic boom, due in part to tarifs that were helpfull, they wanted this to continue, not be replaced by a tariff that while intened to be nuetral and equatable, was by its very nature unable to be so so to all people at the same time.
It was not the ultras who voted to secede it was the majoirity of all the stste population, this includes conditionl unionist and fire eater, who make the two extremes, and the whole mass of the majority who, as in all societys are pretty much in the middle, and yest they voted pretty much unioformly to secede.
Rest of the world saw the WBTS for what it was, a conflict between sections as to who would govern who.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Hanny, in an earlier post you mentioned John Stuart Mill burning slaves alive and so forth. Do you have a source for that? I mean, slavery had been abolished in the British Empire when Mill was still a young man.
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Hanny, in an earlier post you mentioned John Stuart Mill burning slaves alive and so forth. Do you have a source for that? I mean, slavery had been abolished in the British Empire when Mill was still a young man.
Not in the Empire, we had colonies with slavery till 1920 or so, but in the UK. When Mill was in the pay of the Sugar na bobs, when he was 30 or so, slavery had yet to be abolished in then sugar planatations in the caribean, ending in 38, when slaves rose, and used fire to burn down the buildings, he wanted to use UK mil law that proscribed roasing between two fires as the mil punishment for that action of arsonists, and wrote the the islands govnor to use that puinishment, he was acting principly out of pressure from the owners, and only proposed useing a punishment allowed in war against enemy arsonists.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
....and wrote the the islands govnor to use that puinishment, he was acting principly out of pressure from the owners, and only proposed useing a punishment allowed in war against enemy arsonists.
This sounds quite different from the way you first posted it.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
This sounds quite different from the way you first posted it.
ole
Not really, but than know what the event was, to those not aware it may indeed sound different.
Just as Mill worry was that the CSA was intending to establish slavery for itself and re introduce the slave trade, which would bring about a war with the UK with the UK, clearly he had not read the CSA Constition, nor was good at economics as he thought.
__________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin, 1759
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