Civil War History - Secession and PoliticsWas it Slavery, or was it States Rights? Perhaps it was the election of Lincoln? What were the real reasons for Southern Secession and what were the political issues in this time of war? Find your answers here in the Secession and Politics Disussion.
Hal,
The territory held by the Union during the war was not at all "a haven for slavers." All Confederate territory not held by Union forces at the time of the Emancipation Procalmation and subsequently occupied by Union forces were free. And the areas where slavery was still legal was hardly a "haven," since any slaves who came into these areas from Confederate held territory remained free, and slavery was made increasingly unviable even in these areas as a result of the Proclamation."
best,
marc
What about Maryland? Delaware? Missouri? Kentucky? Havens all. Along with every inch of the seceded states that was held prior to Jan. 1, 1863.
What about Maryland? Delaware? Missouri? Kentucky? Havens all. Along with every inch of the seceded states that was held prior to Jan. 1, 1863.
Havens for slavers. Federally controlled.
Because slavery was not the point.
Up to that time, Union was the point for the Federals. Slavery was the point for the confederates. In the last half of the war, though, slavery and Union were the two points for the Federals. Slavery continued to be the point for the confederates. Maryland and Missouri both abolished slavery in 1864, by the way, and there was territory held by the Federals prior to 1 Jan 1863 that was not excepted in the EP, leading to the immediate freedom of about 20,000 slaves.
Union continued to be the point for the federals till Appomatox. Every move Lincoln made was based on that point. Slavery and any action concerning it was merely a tool to be used to further that point.
Slavery wasn't the point for the Confederates. That's why the amendment passed by the House was ignored by the secessionists. That's why the EP offer of slaves for union resulted in zero takers.
That the secessionists ignored the slavery-protection amendment and slaves-for-union had no takers is not evidence that slavery wasn't the point.
By the time the slaveocracy was given those options, they had already gone too far to pull back. I get the idea that if they were offered everything they wanted, including California, they would still have continued with their power grab.
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Union continued to be the point for the federals till Appomatox. Every move Lincoln made was based on that point. Slavery and any action concerning it was merely a tool to be used to further that point.
Slavery wasn't the point for the Confederates. That's why the amendment passed by the House was ignored by the secessionists. That's why the EP offer of slaves for union resulted in zero takers.
Hal
Hal,
Then what was the Crittendon Compromise all about? You can't possibly be serious in saying that slavery wasn't the point for the Confederates. If slavery wasn't the point, then they should have written and said continuously that it was the point.
best,
marc
__________________ "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." - Abraham Lincoln
Union continued to be the point for the federals till Appomatox. Every move Lincoln made was based on that point. Slavery and any action concerning it was merely a tool to be used to further that point.
That's a false claim at odds with the actual historical record. Union and slavery were the point for the Federals in the last half of the war. That's why Lincoln told the confederates any plan of reunion had to include emancipation.
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Slavery wasn't the point for the Confederates. That's why the amendment passed by the House was ignored by the secessionists. That's why the EP offer of slaves for union resulted in zero takers.
More false claims. Slavery was always the point for the confederates, which is why they said so in clear, unmistakeable terms. The Corwin amendment was never ratified and said nothing about extension of slavery into the territories, so it's a red herring. The EP also said nothing about extension of slavery into the territories, which is why that's another red herring.
Just thought this web site should be included on this thread for later research. Thanks goes to elektratig for finding the site and posting it on the Book Review forum of the board.
Through The Looking Glass, The Confederate Constitution in Congress.
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Union and slavery were the point for the Federals in the last half of the war. That's why Lincoln told the confederates any plan of reunion had to include emancipation.
That's a false claim unsubstantiated by the historical record. Slavery was never the point. That's why the EP protected it in all areas under federal control.
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Slavery was always the point for the confederates, which is why they said so in clear, unmistakeable terms. The Corwin amendment was never ratified and said nothing about extension of slavery into the territories, so it's a red herring. The EP also said nothing about extension of slavery into the territories, which is why that's another red herring.
Regards,
Cash
"They" said? Who is "they"?
So are you telling me that you now believe everything "they" said?
Are you seeking to establish that everything "they" said is the gospel truth?
Hal,
Then what was the Crittendon Compromise all about? You can't possibly be serious in saying that slavery wasn't the point for the Confederates. If slavery wasn't the point, then they should have written and said continuously that it was the point.
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