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Old 04-11-2008, 12:47 PM
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Default Lincoln: Deport All Free Slaves

Mr. Bennett will no doubt be pleased to find himself in a common cause with DiLorenzo and DJPsychomike.
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Old 04-11-2008, 12:57 PM
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This is an interesting piece on the new way of looking at Lincoln:
"Lincoln is theology, not historiology. He is a faith, he is a church, he is a religion, and he has his own priests and acolytes, most of whom have a vested interest in [him] and who are passionately opposed to anybody telling the truth about him."
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Well, I wouldn't put too much faith in Mr. Bennett's book, but maybe that's just me. You'll have to judge for yourself. Anyone looking for a critical review of what he says can take a look at this one on The Claremont Institute (a very conservative institution) site:
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Forced into Gory Lincoln Revisionism

A review of Forced into Glory: Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream, by Lerone Bennett

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Never has so much been so wrong about so important a subject. The only way to misrepresent Lincoln more would be to misspell his name. Add to this Bennett's denigration of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Booker T. Washington, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan, and conservatism generally, along with frequent references to Lincoln's endorsement of "ethnic cleansing" and a "final solution" to the race problem, and his diatribe becomes almost impossible to take seriously.
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You can find the rest at http://www.claremont.org/publication...cle_detail.asp

BTW, Mr. Bennett began this book with a six-page article in Ebony in 1968. He was an editor of that magazine for many years. The book is published by Johnson Publishing Company, Inc. According to their website, "Johnson Publishing Company, Inc. is the world's largest African-American-owned and-operated publishing company. With established businesses in publishing, cosmetics, television production and fashion, JPC brands, which include EBONY and JET magazines and Fashion Fair Cosmetics, are household names and, more importantly, trusted sources to African-Americans around the globe. "

He is also an 80-year-old black man, so who is the white guy in the photo you posted?

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Old 04-11-2008, 01:05 PM
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Default Lincon: Deport All Free Slaves

Then again, I could be wrong. Perhaps Mr. Bennett will feel himself at home with the likes of DiLorenzo and Psychomike, after all.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:13 PM
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I met him once while doing research on a World War 2 script that is under option- he was raised in Hitler's Germany! He talked to me about being Black in Germany, which surprised me. He spoke of going with his friends to join Hitler Youth and feeling sad he couldn't!

Interesting guy, the magazines he founded JET and EBONY played huge roles in the Black community.

Blacks have no problem with the new version of Lincoln- whites like that they are both the villain for selling the slaves, and hero for freeing them. They have a lot of problems with what I'm saying.
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He is also an 80-year-old black man, so who is the white guy in the photo you posted?
You mean this hack?

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Old 04-11-2008, 06:20 PM
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Mr. Bennett seems a practitioner of the old Revisionist stock-in-trades of distortion in interpretation,selective quotations, leading to the old reliable, distortion by omission.
One more duck in the revisionist flock.
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Old 04-11-2008, 06:39 PM
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I am well aware Lincoln was not an abolitionist.
I am well aware Lincoln was a colonizationist.
I am well aware Lincoln was opposed to slavery's expansion.
I am well aware Lincoln's EP did not free any slaves.
I am well aware Lincoln was not the great emancipator.
I am well aware that the 13th Amendment freed all slaves.
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Mr. Bennet's Wet Dream has, since the original article in Ebony, reminded me of a terrier sent in the barn to kill rats. It emerges with a mouse and is so proud of his "discovery" that he plays with it all day long and refuses to go back into the barn for something more important.

Thank you, Freddy, for the succinct, pointed list. It would seem that Bennett was not aware of that list but instead sought to gain notoriety by trumpeting a fact that all history fans knew. The reaction of Lincoln idolators (there are some) was gratifying enough to promote an audience for his book, which appears to have been reviewed by Frank Conner.
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Mr. Bennett seems a practitioner of the old Revisionist stock-in-trades of distortion in interpretation,selective quotations, leading to the old reliable, distortion by omission.
Opn: You're being unfair to legitimate revisionists (there are some).

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You mean this hack?

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Cedarstripper!

I demand an immediate apology!

Comparing hacks to this man is an insult to hacks everywhere!

Sincerely,
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You guys might get a kick out of this- one of the forgotten stories of America that would make a great film:

Ben Ishmael were a collective of thousands of runaway slaves, Native Americans and “poor whites” who created a nomadic colony in the Kentucky Hills in 1790. They lived far from settled communities (for obvious reasons) and were forced out of inhabited lands at a regular pace. When Kentucky farmlands became slave-farms, they moved to Cincinnati, Ohio. From Cincinnati they were driven out, tracing a settlement pattern through Indiana and finally to various small towns in Illinois (mostly southern parts). Cities like Mahomet, Mecca, Morocco and Cairo bear the names of some of these settlements.
http://www.chapatimystery.com/archives/imperial_watch/curio_americana_ben_ishmael_tribe.html

Sadly the "tribe" would be eliminated when eugenics caught on in the early 20th Century- but what a story!
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