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One man's personal attack is another's snide remark?
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Not for personal attack. Just an attempt to swing discussions back into an area of discussion.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
No, you should just be exposed. If you count just whites and blacks, the male population of the 11 seceding states was over 4.6 million in 1860 -- yet you said the "male population" was 2.75 million. Not very close at all. But then you need the total number of males to be low so you can say the percentage of Southerners serving in the Army was high -- so you resort to playing loose with statistics.
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Originally Posted by Battalion
Take note that your post was edited for personal attack.
As Ole has already pointed out to you, that isn't the reason it was edited.
So, to get back to the topic title you abandoned in the root message of the thread: how many of the USCT do you say "volunteered", how many were "drafted" and what do you base that on? If you don't know and have no basis for any opinion, the thread is surely over as far as your posts are concerned.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
See post #41 of this thread for the answer to your question.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Roughly another 19,000 served in the US Navy, which accepted blacks earlier than the Army did. Rather impressive proof of the large number of ex-slaves who decided to fight against the Confederacy.
Tim
Tim,
This site gives a figure of 9,000 served in the US Navy. Where did you find the 19,000 figure?
From the US Navy. The number has varied greatly because the USN always had Negro/Colored/Black sailors, even when the Civil War started and did not keep records about it much. But in recent years they have been researching this and there is now a list of over 18,000 actual names. At the highpoint during the war, 23% of the USN non-officers were colored men.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
From the US Navy. The number has varied greatly because the USN always had Negro/Colored/Black sailors, even when the Civil War started and did not keep records about it much. But in recent years they have been researching this and there is now a list of over 18,000 actual names. At the highpoint during the war, 23% of the USN non-officers were colored men.
Tim
Thanks
Someone aught to let AfricanAmericans.com know about this new research. Howard University claims 18,000 served.
"Over the course of the conflict 18,000 men (and more than a dozen women) of African descent served in the U.S. Navy, some 15 percent of the total enlisted force. They served on almost every one of the nearly 700 navy vessels including those of the Mississippi Squadron. Eight of these sailors earned the Medal of Honor for their heroism in battle." http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/sailors_index.html
__________________ "Those who forget to remember the past are condemned to repeat it", George Santayana.
Thanks
Someone aught to let AfricanAmericans.com know about this new research. Howard University claims 18,000 served.
"Over the course of the conflict 18,000 men (and more than a dozen women) of African descent served in the U.S. Navy, some 15 percent of the total enlisted force. They served on almost every one of the nearly 700 navy vessels including those of the Mississippi Squadron. Eight of these sailors earned the Medal of Honor for their heroism in battle." http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/sailors_index.html
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
The other thing we don't know is how many of the USCT were paid substitutes for white draftees? Debra Jackson points out there were some in her article, A Black Journalist in Civil War Virginia, Virginia Magazine of History and Biography, Vol. 116, No. 1, page 60.
Given Battalion's statistics, a goodly number of the USCT might well have been substitutes. Oughtn't give them different motivations for joining than whites -- they were no different. Some signed up because they believed in the fight, some signed up for the money, and some were drafted.
The governor who is tasked to provide 5,000 men is not likely to be picky about their color.
And, by the way, Sherman waxed quite testily on the subject of having state recruiting agents preying in his wake on newly freed slaves. He believed that slaves should have a period of adjustment between servitude and citizenship. And, he also believed that the white man should be required to step up and do his duty to his country. Wierd?
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
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