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Not having much success in making the slaves in the Confederate army soldiers, we are apparently going to try to make the soldiers in the Union army slaves.
***This is probably the game that's going on with all these recruiting efforts- the recruiters are pocketing the bounty money.
Still afraid to actually address the question *YOU* put in the topic of the thread? Still wasting time posting quotes designed to mislead others and digress from the point? What is it, exactly, that you are so afraid of? Why are you so insistent on avoiding every straight-forward question you are asked?
Once again: there were roughly 186,000 officers and men in the USCT. Some 179,000 of them are considered to have been Black people. Roughly 6% of all soldiers who served in the US Army in the Civil War were draftees (as opposed to the roughly 100% of the Confederates who were subject to the Conscription law applied to them). Now how many of the USCT do *you* claim were draftees?
Don't avoid this. Don't post some vague quote. Give us a clear and unequivocal statement of what *YOU* mean, in your own words.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
Not having much success in making the slaves in the Confederate army soldiers, we are apparently going to try to make the soldiers in the Union army slaves.
Sounds about spot on.
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Battalion has in mind some obscure statistic that "proves" most USCT were conscripted. When the discussion bogs down, he will triumphantly produce it, claim righteousness and move on to other excerpt and twisted statistics to "prove" another claim.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Battalion has in mind some obscure statistic that "proves" most USCT were conscripted. When the discussion bogs down, he will triumphantly produce it, claim righteousness and move on to other excerpt and twisted statistics to "prove" another claim.
ole
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ONCE AGAIN:
Still afraid to actually address the question *YOU* put in the topic of the thread? Still wasting time posting quotes designed to mislead others and digress from the point? Or a meaningless digression like this one? What is it, exactly, that you are so afraid of? Why are you so insistent on avoiding every straight-forward question you are asked?
Once again: there were roughly 186,000 officers and men in the USCT. Some 179,000 of them are considered to have been Black people. Roughly 6% of all soldiers who served in the US Army in the Civil War were draftees (as opposed to the roughly 100% of the Confederates who were subject to the Conscription law applied to them). Now how many of the USCT do *you* claim were draftees?
Don't avoid this. Don't post some vague quote. Give us a clear and unequivocal statement of what *YOU* mean, in your own words.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
This site says that of those drafted in 1863-1864 accounted for 6% of the troops. This appears to be for white troops.
"Under the Union draft act men faced the possibility of conscription in July 1863 and in Mar., July, and Dec. 1864. Draft riots ensued, notably in New York in 1863. Of the 249,259 18-to-35-year-old men whose names were drawn, only about 6% served, the rest paying commutation or hiring a substitute."
I know you hate the idea that anyone who disagrees w/ you is allowed an opinion; Ole has his as do I and we have the right to give an opinion as do you.
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Shane Christen
American Legion Post 352
SUVCW Camp Abernethy# 48
Lifetime NRA member
3rd MN VI
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
"...the recruiting officers do not even attempt to make any discrimination between the slaves of loyal and those of disloyal men, but go through the country picking up all they can induce to go with them, and in some cases forcing them away..."
Maj.Gen. J.M. Schofield, Department of the Missouri (St. Louis), September 26, 1863
I believe what this refers to is recruitment officers of the Missouri Provisional Home Guard units. The State Union troops formed and marginally under the control of the Provost Marshal.
They formed units of blacks and used them to do manual labor, teamster duties and on occasion to provide security of rail road sites such as trestles.
They (the recruitment officers) also tended to settle old scores with other rivals while using the conscription power.
So these individuals in question most likely were not USCT but State Troops.
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