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Old 10-10-2007, 11:57 PM
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"There's actually an interesting essay on this by historian James McPherson in his book, The Mighty Scourge."

"The Civil War remains one of the few exceptions to the adage that "history is written by the victors." There is a growing body of evidence suggesting much of the Civil War history now found in textbooks - from about 1910 onward - is largely written through southern filters.

Early in the 20th-century, the United Confederate Veterans (UCV) and the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) went on a textbook crusade throughout the South and pressured publication companies throughout the U.S. Their intent was to correct "Yankee falsehoods."

Mildred Rutherford, president of the UDC listed these instructions to teachers and librarians in 1919:

*Reject a book that speaks of the Constitution other than as a compact between Sovereign States.

*Reject a text-book that...does not clearly outline the interferences with the rights guaranteed to the South by the Constitution, and which caused secession...

*Reject a text-book that says the South fought to hold her slaves.

*Reject a book that speaks of the slaveholder of the South as cruel and unjust to slaves.

*Reject a text-book that glorifies Abraham Lincoln and vilifies Jefferson Davis.

*Reject a text-book that omits to tell of the South's heroes and their deeds.

Rutherford also lists her "historical facts" to consider when evaluating history. They include:

*Southern men were anxious for the slaves to be free.

*More slaveholders and sons of slaveholders fought for the Union than for the Confederacy.

Despite the absurdity of her "facts", Rutherford was highly successful at her lobbying campaign, especially with textbooks below the college level. Eventually, however, these lobbying groups also were successful at revising college textbooks by 1920."

The Mighty Scourge - James McPherson
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0195...23#reader-link

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What is that old adage "The Pen is Mightyer Than The Sword"

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At one time, "the winner writes the history" might have been a valid observation. Today, I don't think that dog flies. In this conglomeration of CW groupies, we know that the "sides" have swung back and forth several times, but that we are now in a period where historians are in a desperate struggle to find fact and present their interpretations of those facts--going with the "publish or die" in some circles and with the desire to sell books in others, if not both.

It is has been a long time since "the winners write the history." Maybe in the first 40 years; certainly not now. Reminds me of bumper stickers.

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What is that old adage "The Pen is Mightyer Than The Sword"
With apologies if this sounds like a slam, but that old adage is also bumper-sticker philosophy--true in one sense, woefully short-sighted in a broader-based reality.

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It would seem that Ms. Rutherford started off on the right foot in that the entire south was given unfair treatment in early post-war history. And we've been discussing her arguments in nauseating detail ever since.

It will be enlightening to logon to your favorite book.com and pick up one of her works. DiLorenzo is a piker!

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I believe that our civil war history has a southern tilt. I believe somewhere in the early 1900's southern historians and writers hi-jack the civil war and the northern historians went along with it.

We have this saintly image of Gen. Lee which is a distortion and Gen. Grant and Gen. Sherman are butchers.

We are given the picture the south fought for some noble cause and in truth it was the north who was fighting a noble war.

I do believe in the near future the distorted claims the southern writers and historians of the civil war from the 20th century will be reevaluated.
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I believe that our civil war history has a southern tilt. I believe somewhere in the early 1900's southern historians and writers hi-jack the civil war and the northern historians went along with it.
You are more right than you perhaps know.

In the University of North Carolina Press, The Memory of the Civil War in American Culture, ed. Alice Fahs and Joan Waugh (Chapel Hill, 2004), "Long-Legged Yankee Lies," tends to support your comment.

This chapter goes into much detail on how those who championed the Southern cause went to great effort to create The Lost Cause version of the Civil War.

"The Lost Cause myth helped Southern whites deal with the shattering reality of catastrophic defeat and impoverishment in a war they had been sure they would win. They emerged from the war subdued but unrepentant; they had lost all save honor, and their unsullied honor became the foundation of the myth."

This myth was helped by the dedications of hundreds of monuments to Confederate soldiers and their commanders planted on courthouse lawns and other public spaces across the South. The UCV (United Confederate Veterans) and the UDC (United Daughters of the Confederacy) led massive campaigns to approve "correct" versions of the war for uses in schools, both public and private, and in universitys and colleges across the South. Many children's auxiliaries were organized by these two groups, with their purpose, according to a UDC member, was "telling the Truth to Children," to make the children a 'living monument' to those soldiers of the Confederacy who were fast dying off at this time.

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"In South Carolina the UCV history committe got a bill introduced in the state legislature to ban any "partial or partisan or unfair or untrue book" from every school in the state and to punish anyone who assigned such a book with a $500 fine or one year's imprisonment. The bill did not pass, but school boards and teachers got the message. By 1905 a UCV leader in South Carolina could congratulate his colleagues that "the most pernicious histories have been banished from the school rooms."

The victor's write the history? Sorry, not in this case. It was the defeated South that took the utmost care to insure it's Lost Cause version became the only accepted version throughout the South.

"As early as 1902 Professor William E. Dodd of Randolph-Macon College, who was a native of North Carolina and one of the few Southern liberals of his time, complained that Confederate veterans had imposed a straitjacket of censorship by requiring courses in American history to teach that "the South was altogether right in seceding from the Union" and "that the war was not waged about the negro." No serious scholarship was possible, wrote Dodd, "when such a confession of faith is made a sine qua non of fitness for teaching or writing history."

The Lost Cause triumphed in the curriculum, if not on the battlefield. A North Carolinian educated in that state during the 1920s who later left the South and eventually became dean of Yale Divinity School looked back on the books he had read in school: "I never could understand how our Confederate troops could have won every battle in the War so decisively and then have lost the war itself!"

Neo-Confederate historical committees had done their work well. Nevertheless, the crusade could not end. Eternal vigilance was still the price of true history. Few members of the UCV remained by 1932, the last yeare of publication of Confederate Veteran Magazine. But the UDC and the Sons of Confederate Veterans remained vigilant. The Virginia chapter of the UDC expressed "shock" that year at the news that David Muzzey's all-time best seller among high school American history testbooks, described by the UDC as "atrocious" in its treatment of the South, had somehow been adopted by the Virginia textbook commission to replace a book by a native Virginian. The Sons of Confederate Veterans issued a "Call to Arms" to overturn this decision and return to "the purity of our history." That quest for purity remains vital today, as any historian working in the field can testify."

Sorry, but after reading this one, it's hard to see where all those "Northern" historians are shoving their version of the Civil War down anyone's historical throat.

This reminds me of a quote I saw on another Civil War history board. Seems like I should give it here.

The victor's write the history. The loser's write the myths.

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Unionblue:

Your last line of your post is so true! The Best!

I understand at the high schools level throughout the south history of the civil civil could be slanted to show the south in a favorable light.

I do not understand how or why the high schools in the north would join this false course.

I do not understand why colleges would follow this false course.

I believe those efforts you describe by those organization were successful, for the civil war history on must book shelves has a southern tilt to it today.
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Now you've done it. I'll have to find a college-level textbook on the civil war to see this bend for myself. Anyone have a suggestion on how to find one? Guess I could look in the bookstores of local colleges?

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Now you've done it. I'll have to find a college-level textbook on the civil war to see this bend for myself. Anyone have a suggestion on how to find one? Guess I could look in the bookstores of local colleges?

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Its not so much the text books. It is the whole picture of the civil war. Like Gettysburg almost all books written tend to give Lee view of the battle and hardly any lip servce ro Meade.

Think Overland campaign, when you read about it it is always what lee is doing not so much from what Grant is doing.

Almost every thing you read about Lee makes him out to be a saint.

The south is always fighting for some noble cause.

Just look at a book store shelves. You don't see Grant and his generals, or hardly any books on union generals but there are tons of books on confederate generals.
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