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Old 10-13-2007, 11:10 AM
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Reminds me of a painting... I think its a Kunsler... Lee riding through a town on his horse and a little old lady whispering "O I wish he were ours!"
I think the world of Lee but I happy that in the end he failed at his task being asked of him as a soldier.

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The Mexican War, is noteworthy in that Grant was able to discern the politics behind, military actions and not accept either's rationale. One of Grant's great regrets in later life, was not resigning, rather than serve in such a war.
Did Lee have any such qualms; then or later?
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:30 PM
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To write or talk using Forrest name in the same sentence with Lee and Grant is to be foolish. Forrest only claim to fame is Shelby Foote mention him in that Ken Burns "PBS civil war series" many years ago.
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Old 10-13-2007, 12:35 PM
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Compared to Forrest, Lee and Grant were merely officers. Lee had proven himself in war prior to his rise in the Confederacy. Grant, as you know, wanted little or no part of the war. Forrest on the other hand seemed to enjoy a good fight.
I suggest you need to inform yourself more on Grant and Lee.

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The Mexican War, is noteworthy in that Grant was able to discern the politics behind, military actions and not accept either's rationale. One of Grant's great regrets in later life, was not resigning, rather than serve in such a war.
Did Lee have any such qualms; then or later?

I don't know that I've ever read that Grant regretted not resigning over the Mexican War. He sought action at the front as often as he could find it.

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Old 10-13-2007, 12:49 PM
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I don't know that I've ever read that Grant regretted not resigning over the Mexican War. He sought action at the front as often as he could find it.

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I know Grant didn't fully support the reasons for going to war with Mexico. He did go and serve with destinction.
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Old 10-13-2007, 01:28 PM
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I know Grant didn't fully support the reasons for going to war with Mexico. He did go and serve with destinction.
Because a good soldier follows orders and doesn't let his personal views get in the way. One of the sacrifices they have to make to keep us from having to.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:40 PM
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Can't be a General without being a soldier first--although starting at 2nd Lieutenant can't be as bad as starting as a Pvt.

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To write or talk using Forrest name in the same sentence with Lee and Grant is to be foolish.

If I mention his true claims to fame like slave trader, KKK leader or maybe Ft. Pillow. Do you see a soldier that can be mention in the same breath with Lee and Grant.
Lee and Grant are essentially the equivalent of Eisenhower during WWII. Forrest is the equivalent of Patton. Both Lee and Grant owned slaves too.....probably the only completely white hat during the Civil War goes to Clara Barton.
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Lee and Grant are essentially the equivalent of Eisenhower during WWII. Forrest is the equivalent of Patton.
Naaah. Patton took and kept territory; Forrest was an excellent annoyance to those intending to keep territories and maintain lines of communication. Forrest, as valuable as he was in the Westen Theater, was no Patton.
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Both Lee and Grant owned slaves too.....probably the only completely white hat during the Civil War goes to Clara Barton.
The slaves Lee and his family owned tend to illustrate Lee's growing aversion to the practice. Those inherited by his wife confirm it. Grant's single slave-for-one-year (probably a gift) and Grant's manumission of same, without a very much needed compensation, illustrates Grant's aversion. That Julia either owned three or had three on loan from her father indicates only that Grant, like Sherman and others, didn't cross their wives very often.

Will agree on the Clara Barton types, though.

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