Indian Territory

[Borderruffian]

Originally Posted by Battalion

What is notable is how few slaves there were- 10% -and some of these were owned by the 2,000 whites.

The Nations were divided over several issues- blood feuds, internal politics, religion, cultural disputes between full-bloods and mixed-bloods, etc. The slavery issue seems to be very low on the list.

The chiefs that sided with the North owned as many slaves and in some instances far more than those that sided with the South.

And strangely enough the slave owning chiefs who sided with the north didn't suffer from the reallocation for their freed slaves. And the internal strife continued well into the 20th century and was intensified policies after the war.

[ole]

Wow! Indians act just like the rest of us. Imagine that!

ole

[Borderruffian]

Angie Debo's book And Still the Waters run: The betrayal of the Five Civilized Tribes. Is pretty good for explaining the inter-tribal conflicts. It doesn't deal much with the Civil War other than explaining what effects it had on the Nations but it's a good study of what happened at the tribal level.

[larry_cockerham]

Border, I noticed on the earlier posted map that the Chickasaw and Creek nations are shown much further west than the folks around here usually place them when talking or writing about events and tribes well prior to the civil war, usally in the woodland period. Even in Coffee and Jackson's time the Creeks were centered in south Alabama if I remember correctly and the Chickasaw in the Tennessee river valley near present-day Florence? Does the mapping simply show the results of these nations being forced westward prior to the civil war? Not unlike the Cherokee who were transported from east Tennessee and NC to Oklahoma?

[Borderruffian]

The map shows the lands alloted to the tribes in the Indian Territories in the late 1830's after their removal from their native lands in Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, the Carolinas and Mississippi. After the various Trail of Tears removals.

Andrew Jackson was the chief supporter of moving the tribes west. Especially after gold was discovered in North Carolina on Cherokee land. That coupled with the fact that Cherokees, Creeks, Choctaws and Chickasaw's owned some of the best farms, land and water access by treaty in these states gave white farmers fits. The end result was their removal to the IT.

If you notice there are still Cherokees in North Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee. Choctaws in Mississippi, Chickasaws in Georgia and Alabama and Seminoles (although their story is somewhat different) these are the bands that hid out.

[larry_cockerham]

Originally Posted by Borderruffian

The map shows the lands alloted to the tribes in the Indian Territories in the late 1830's after their removal from their native lands in Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, the Carolinas and Mississippi. After the various Trail of Tears removals.

Andrew Jackson was the chief supporter of moving the tribes west. Especially after gold was discovered in North Carolina on Cherokee land. That coupled with the fact that Cherokees, Creeks, Choctaws and Chickasaw's owned some of the best farms, land and water access by treaty in these states gave white farmers fits. The end result was their removal to the IT.

If you notice there are still Cherokees in North Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee. Choctaws in Mississippi, Chickasaws in Georgia and Alabama and Seminoles (although their story is somewhat different) these are the bands that hid out.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions and giving my old brain a gentle nudge. My ancestry goes back to the time of the Pequot wars in Massachusetts as well as the conflicts with the English at the Jamestown settlements. Oppechanough was my 10th great grandfather, so I have an interest. This "relationship" between the native American nations and the whtie settlers (yes I have thousands of European folks who immigrated and helped cause the problem in my tree as well. Cockerham ain't exactly an old Indian name.) The Cherokees you mentioned that started the reservation in North Carolina actually had to purchase the land privately. A couple of my families remained in North Carolina and Virginia and married whites hence they are a little more difficult to trace today and are part of the reason it's so much of a challenge to prove native ancestry. I've been fascinated by the fact so many native Americans fought for the Confederacy. Apparently the human response to defend one's homeland was stronger than many of us realize today.