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no sam, I was actually referring to my recent outburst directed to OIJ, and it was pretty much entirley my fault not anything he did specifically to me to get me going.
Hey, don't either of you guys get bent out of shape over me. I ain't upset. Heck I like a good tussel. I mean it Dred. We're cool. Even if I do write in Blue.
It's all good... As I said before I don't hold grudges... we are all meant to disagree... and to err' is human. Anyways.. what are your thoughts on this?
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
I'm glad everyone made up! I have a what if about Antietam. I'm sure you have discussed this before.but what if Lee's 191 orders were not lost and mcclellan had no idea what Lee was up to? How far do you think Lee could have pushed north. With what I know of McClellan and his lack of desire to commit his forces it would appear that Lee could advance some distance. {Here it comes my Yankee friends, don't anybody shoot me.} Maybe right up into Lincolns lap!
So would you say there was some divine intervention.
sorry if this a repeat discussion.
More importantly.. whose lost orders were they? All copies Lee sent out were accounted for whichever General was running low on cigars would know
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
I'm glad everyone made up! I have a what if about Antietam. I'm sure you have discussed this before.but what if Lee's 191 orders were not lost and mcclellan had no idea what Lee was up to? How far do you think Lee could have pushed north. With what I know of McClellan and his lack of desire to commit his forces it would appear that Lee could advance some distance. {Here it comes my Yankee friends, don't anybody shoot me.} Maybe right up into Lincolns lap!
So would you say there was some divine intervention.
sorry if this a repeat discussion.
Chadutes....................
Well, the one thing that we do know is that McClellan acts with uncharachterist vigor. Antietam is of course McClellan's finest and last hour. It would've been interesting to see what McClellan would've done if he didn't have the orders. He certainely couldn't have bugged out like he did during the Peninsula Campaign, he was definitely going to have to make a stand. This of course would most likely leave the initiative with Lee; it seems to me his most likely stab would've been toward Baltimore.
I'd love to discuss this on another thread devoted to Antietam. Mostly because I have 2 more lessons I want to post, and not all of them are at Antietam =P Just so happened that Burnside's assault and the subsequent defense fit perfectly for the first 2. My next lesson will hit upon Port Republic.
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
I am always interested in the telling of the story of the 300 Spartans last stand. Usually, there is very little mention of the Thespians, Thebans and Spartan slaves (Helots) who made the last stand with the Spartans, all of whom apparently numbered more than the Spartans.
It's all good... As I said before I don't hold grudges... we are all meant to disagree... and to err' is human. Anyways.. what are your thoughts on this?
Dred I think you're on a good track, but ......
I don't see too many similarities.
Lincoln ain't Leonidas nor Xerxes and neither is Lee.
Lee wasn't invading Maryland to conqure the United States and McCllellan was just bumbling along trying to keep pace with him.
That fight at the bridge was a friggin' fiasco. FUBAR! Dumbassed Burnside wanted to march across the bridge in column formation. If your's truly had been at the head of that Division, he would've put them Yankee boys in line formation and charged across the creek like it wasn't even there. We would've set them Rebs to flight six hours earlier and it wouldn't have cost hardly any lives.
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