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With all due respect--where is your proof, via reference, date, document, authors and other supporting documents to your entire post following that which came from the Official Records of the Rebellion??
Until you can provide me with "Official Records" to support your claims; that are not some historian's slant, some other author's slant on what he/she thinks happened; I want to see the real records--something I can form my own judgment from.
In summary, until I can read for myself--it will remain as your personal opinion; Got it?
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
"In this enlightened age, there are a few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong form the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence." Robert E. Lee, in a letter to his wife, December 27, 1856.
Beowulf
Picking up from where you left of, Lee went on to say, "Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy....While we see the Course of the final abolition of human Slavery is onward, & we give it all the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power, we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who sees the end; who Chooses to work by slow influences; & with whom two thousand years are but as a Single day"
Two thousand years!
Obviously Lee was in no particular hurry to see slavery ended.
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Originally Posted by Beowulf
Do you, at all, disagree with Lee's statement? Can any one of you?
Fortunately for 4 million slaves Lincoln and the Union army lacked Lee's patience and speeded up the timetable greatly.
Those southerners who could actually envision a time for emancipation, never envisioned it in the forseeable future. It was always assumed to a problem for following generations.
Lee was the perfect example of the best thinking that could be expected from southern leaders.
With all due respect--where is your proof, via reference, date, document, authors and other supporting documents to your entire post following that which came from the Official Records of the Rebellion??
Until you can provide me with "Official Records" to support your claims; that are not some historian's slant, some other author's slant on what he/she thinks happened; I want to see the real records--something I can form my own judgment from.
In summary, until I can read for myself--it will remain as your personal opinion; Got it?
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
M. E. Wolf
A lot of things didn't get written down, for obvious reasons.
It did, however, happen just as I said it did. It is also my opinion, as well.
If you base all of your judgments upon what you can read from approved sources, you will never convict an innocent man...
But a lot of the guilty will also walk free. As they have already done over the past 150 years.
It is towards these guilty to whom I should like to draw your attention.
Picking up from where you left of, Lee went on to say, "Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy....While we see the Course of the final abolition of human Slavery is onward, & we give it all the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power, we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who sees the end; who Chooses to work by slow influences; & with whom two thousand years are but as a Single day"
Two thousand years!
Obviously Lee was in no particular hurry to see slavery ended.
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Fortunately for 4 million slaves Lincoln and the Union army lacked Lee's patience and speeded up the timetable greatly.
Uhh, make that three million slaves. I think about a million of them didn't survive emancipation. They starved to death.
Of these three million who survived emancipation and who were STOLEN from their homes, (many of these conscripted into the Union Army as property of Lincoln's invaders), I believe that the only ones who were freed were the ones who were abandoned by the beloved, benevolent Yankee Armed Forces.
They certainly had no way to feed or clothe them, but that did not stop them from burning down their shacks and belongings and taking away all the food, (and destroying the rest of it)... to damage them along with the White Southerners, whom they were trying to utterly destroy.
Those southerners who could actually envision a time for emancipation, never envisioned it in the forseeable future. It was always assumed to a problem for following generations.
Lee was the perfect example of the best thinking that could be expected from southern leaders.
Well, certainly the Federal government was no help. Ever. After all, they were living off the earnings of a prostitute, to get technical about it.
So much for your ever-annoying self-righteousness, to cover for the Yankee war crimes and other evils.
And only because the Left needed the votes did they sign in blood with the abolitionist terrorists, and take the White House and split the nation through the insecurity and open threat to the Southern freed people, both black and white.
You Unionists of today are nothing more than the ideological John Brown abolitionists of old. Just as radical and just as nuts as they were...
THAT is what makes you all so one-sided, and so terrifying to listen to...
NO wonder that the rest of the world thinks that we YANKS are completely insane!
Uhh, make that three million slaves. I think about a million of them didn't survive emancipation. They starved to death.
Of these three million who survived emancipation and who were STOLEN from their homes, (many of these conscripted into the Union Army as property of Lincoln's invaders), I believe that the only ones who were freed were the ones who were abandoned by the beloved, benevolent Yankee Armed Forces.
They certainly had no way to feed or clothe them, but that did not stop them from burning down their shacks and belongings and taking away all the food, (and destroying the rest of it)... to damage them along with the White Southerners, whom they were trying to utterly destroy.
You people SCARE me. You really, really do!
Beowulf,
The 1860 Census puts the colored population of the US at 476,748 free and 3,950,546, for a total of 4,427,294.
The 1870 Census puts the colored population of the US at 4,835,562.
You are saying that at least 1,000,000 of those 4,427,294 Colored people from 1860 died by 1865, yet the total Colored population increased by 408,268 between the two Census figures.
As a result, we can be pretty sure your claim is completely wrong, and that you haven't even made an attempt to establish the facts of the matter. If I am wrong, please present a clear basis for your claim.
If you don't, I'd have to say that what is frightening here is the make-believe data you are putting out.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
The 1860 Census puts the colored population of the US at 476,748 free and 3,950,546, for a total of 4,427,294.
The 1870 Census puts the colored population of the US at 4,835,562.
You are saying that at least 1,000,000 of those 4,427,294 Colored people from 1860 died by 1865, yet the total Colored population increased by 408,268 between the two Census figures.
As a result, we can be pretty sure your claim is completely wrong, and that you haven't even made an attempt to establish the facts of the matter. If I am wrong, please present a clear basis for your claim.
If you don't, I'd have to say that what is frightening here is the make-believe data you are putting out.
Tim
Here is the scary part. Who is doing the Census? Who takes and records these figures?
One of the interested sides in the conflict...
Behold! I think I hear Battalion busy with some figures, even as we speak! Or, was that just thunder, outside?
Battalion presents figures and statistics and, occasionally, a fact or two that's worth discussing. You, Beowulf, are not in his league.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
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