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Or the fact that there was a war between 1860 and 1870 may account for a decrease in numbers. During the upheavals of war, people tend not to have so many babies. And of course, there's always that slave breeding argument (on which I am not informed enough to have an opinion, but there is an interesting thread on it here on the board).
All a way of saying that although I have no doubt some former slaves died of starvation and disease following the war, I think your estimate of several hundreds of thousands is way too high.
Well, it wasn't for the lack of trying to raise that number! And since the plan was to ship the rest off to Africa, I don't think anyone was hoping to see too many, anyway...
Mostly, they were a nuisance to the yankees, if you read the reports on them.
Well, it wasn't for the lack of trying to raise that number! And since the plan was to ship the rest off to Africa, I don't think anyone was hoping to see too many, anyway...
Please show how many were shipped back to Africa after the war was over.
Mostly, they were a nuisance to the yankees, if you read the reports on them.
Beowulf
Again, opinion, no evidence.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Or the fact that there was a war between 1860 and 1870 may account for a decrease in numbers. During the upheavals of war, people tend not to have so many babies. And of course, there's always that slave breeding argument (on which I am not informed enough to have an opinion, but there is an interesting thread on it here on the board).
All a way of saying that although I have no doubt some former slaves died of starvation and disease following the war, I think your estimate of several hundreds of thousands is way too high.
...during the war also...that is the period when most died.
"I can not close this message without again adverting to the savage ferocity which still marks the conduct of the enemy in the prosecution of the war....
...Nor has less unrelenting warfare been waged by these pretended friends of human rights and liberties against the unfortunate negroes. Wherever the enemy have been able to gain access they have forced into the ranks of their army every able-bodied man that they could seize, and have either left the aged, the women, and the children to perish by starvation or have gathered them into camps where they have been wasted by a frightful mortality. Without clothing or shelter, often without food...are being rapidly exterminated wherever brought in contact with the invaders....There is little hazard in predicting that, in all localities where the enemy have gained a temporary foothold, the negroes...will have been reduced by mortality during the war to not more than one-half their previous number.
Information on this subject is derived not only from our own observation and from the reports of the negroes who succeeded in escaping from the enemy, but full confirmation is afforded by statements published in the Northern journals by humane persons engaged in making appeals to the charitable for aid in preventing the ravages of disease, exposure, and starvation among the negro women and children who are crowded into encampments."
-Jefferson Davis, Message to Confederate Congress, 8 December 1863, Journal of the Confederate Congress, Vol. 6, p.512
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
...during the war also...that is the period when most died.
"I can not close this message without again adverting to the savage ferocity which still marks the conduct of the enemy in the prosecution of the war....
...Nor has less unrelenting warfare been waged by these pretended friends of human rights and liberties against the unfortunate negroes. Wherever the enemy have been able to gain access they have forced into the ranks of their army every able-bodied man that they could seize, and have either left the aged, the women, and the children to perish by starvation or have gathered them into camps where they have been wasted by a frightful mortality. Without clothing or shelter, often without food...are being rapidly exterminated wherever brought in contact with the invaders....There is little hazard in predicting that, in all localities where the enemy have gained a temporary foothold, the negroes...will have been reduced by mortality during the war to not more than one-half their previous number.
Information on this subject is derived not only from our own observation and from the reports of the negroes who succeeded in escaping from the enemy, but full confirmation is afforded by statements published in the Northern journals by humane persons engaged in making appeals to the charitable for aid in preventing the ravages of disease, exposure, and starvation among the negro women and children who are crowded into encampments."
-Jefferson Davis, Message to Confederate Congress, 8 December 1863, Journal of the Confederate Congress, Vol. 6, p.512
Always good to hear from the Executive Office, Battalion!
I am reminded of Doc, who went back to Avenel after the war, and complained to Letitia's mother, Frances...
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Thanks to Wilkes Booth, NONE that I know of AFTER the war.
The plan was to do it BEFORE the Secession...
Yes, with members of the American Colonization Society, which drew its membership from all over the nation, to include the South.
But the Confederates saw to it that Lincoln did not get the chance... There were other things to occupy him.
Like the Confederates were the least bit concerned with the idea of blacks being shipped back to Africa!
Beowulf
Thanks, I needed that!
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
So long as they weren't owned by anyone in the South... I don't see a problem with the South caring one way or the other....
Stealing them first in a contrived Civil War might be a different story...
You are talking about money, when you talk about slaves. Look what the North was willing to do over a dollar bill...
Slave owners needed the value of property in slaves to remain assured... and protected by the federal government, and not harrassed by a bunch of tree-hugging idiots who had not invested into this yankee system of human property!!!!
Abolitionists were, on top of everything else, THIEVES. And so were the Radical Republican Left.
Beowulf
So long as they weren't owned by anyone in the South... I don't see a problem with the South caring one way or the other....
Stealing them first in a contrived Civil War might be a different story...
You are talking about money, when you talk about slaves. Look what the North was willing to do over a dollar bill...
Slave owners needed the value of property in slaves to remain assured... and protected by the federal government, and not harrassed by a bunch of tree-hugging idiots who had not invested into this yankee system of human property!!!!
Abolitionists were, on top of everything else, THIEVES. And so were the Radical Republican Left.
Beowulf
Beowulf! Please!
Let me recover from the first joke before I move onto the next!
The Confederacy prevent their black slaves from being shipped back to Africa by seceding and fighting the Civil War!
Let me at least wipe the tears away...
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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