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Here is the scary part. Who is doing the Census? Who takes and records these figures?
One of the interested sides in the conflict...
Behold! I think I hear Battalion busy with some figures, even as we speak! Or, was that just thunder, outside?
I'm sorry. It appears you are completely enwrapped in a shoud of conspiracy theories and can see nothing but your own dark fantasies and fears. I hope you somehow find a way out of this dilemma.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
The 1860 Census puts the colored population of the US at 476,748 free and 3,950,546, for a total of 4,427,294.
The 1870 Census puts the colored population of the US at 4,835,562.
You are saying that at least 1,000,000 of those 4,427,294 Colored people from 1860 died by 1865, yet the total Colored population increased by 408,268 between the two Census figures.
As a result, we can be pretty sure your claim is completely wrong, and that you haven't even made an attempt to establish the facts of the matter. If I am wrong, please present a clear basis for your claim.
If you don't, I'd have to say that what is frightening here is the make-believe data you are putting out.
Tim
Black population
Year.....Total...........Increase
1850.....3,624,783...............
1860.....4,427,294.....802,511 (22%)
1870.....4,835,562.....408,268 (9%)
If the Black population had increased at the same rate in the period 1860-1870 as it did from 1850-1860 (22%)...that increase should have been 980,000 instead of 408,000.
Not 1,000,000...but several 100,000s probably died of starvation and disease under Federal 'care.'
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
"Not 1,000,000...but several 100,000s probably died of starvation and disease under Federal 'care.'"
Thank you, Battalion, for at least supporting your theory with some basic facts.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
Folks, does a theory supported by fact suddenly transform it into fact? I suspect it might. That's my theory. We need more facts. Thanks for all the energy put into these posts, fact or theory.
__________________ Ancestors in US Army: 13th TN Cav; 10th TN Cav; 3rd NC Inf
Ancestors in CSA Army: 48th VA; 63rd VA, 5th NC Cav; 37th NC
Wife and Grandson's CSA: 15th AL, 51st GA, 41st TN; 36th TN; GA Mil 1197 Dist
Agreed, Larry. Battalion at least comes up with numbers. They may or may not support his contention, but he does provide backup. Gotta respect the effort he puts into it.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
To the famous trilogy of "lies, ****ed lies, and statistics" we must now add "Beowulf."
I think that may be insulting to lies and statistics.
__________________ "There must be more historians of the Civil War than there were generals figthing in it... Of the two groups, the historians are the more belligerent." David Donald, Lincoln Reconsidered (1961)
Black population
Year.....Total...........Increase
1850.....3,624,783...............
1860.....4,427,294.....802,511 (22%)
1870.....4,835,562.....408,268 (9%)
If the Black population had increased at the same rate in the period 1860-1870 as it did from 1850-1860 (22%)...that increase should have been 980,000 instead of 408,000.
Not 1,000,000...but several 100,000s probably died of starvation and disease under Federal 'care.'
Or the fact that there was a war between 1860 and 1870 may account for a decrease in numbers. During the upheavals of war, people tend not to have so many babies. And of course, there's always that slave breeding argument (on which I am not informed enough to have an opinion, but there is an interesting thread on it here on the board).
All a way of saying that although I have no doubt some former slaves died of starvation and disease following the war, I think your estimate of several hundreds of thousands is way too high.
__________________ "There must be more historians of the Civil War than there were generals figthing in it... Of the two groups, the historians are the more belligerent." David Donald, Lincoln Reconsidered (1961)
Tomorrow morning, we will begin exploring Reconstruction.
ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
Black population
Year.....Total...........Increase
1850.....3,624,783...............
1860.....4,427,294.....802,511 (22%)
1870.....4,835,562.....408,268 (9%)
If the Black population had increased at the same rate in the period 1860-1870 as it did from 1850-1860 (22%)...that increase should have been 980,000 instead of 408,000.
Not 1,000,000...but several 100,000s probably died of starvation and disease under Federal 'care.'
Ahhh, the Cavalry!
Thank you, sir.
Note, now, as well...
These are the ones we KNOW of; the ones who are admitted to being NOT THERE...
What of the ones we don't know about?
And 'several hundred thousand'? Oh, well, a SMALL price to pay for such grandiose EMANCIPATION by the UNION bent upon making it up the Negro for all those years of ingratitude for his slave services in the country!
(Oh sorry! That is quite new, isn't it? That sentiment only came about as a way to help us all hate the South a little bit more for something we all did, but who SOME of us only PRETEND to acknowledge having been involved with!)...
Isn't it funny that, if the South had 'hopped-to', gotten with the yankee program, and mailed all the slaves back home like the North originally wanted, then the South, too, could have gotten away with hundreds of years of slavery, instead of bearing the brunt of the whole practice!
And we could be even more self-righteous than we already are!
I have an idea. BLAME US with it! ALL of it.
We have kinda gotten used to the idea, now, and besides, we kind a get a kick out of the yanks who 'can't believe' we would back slavery!"
(See, we were taught it a little differently than the yankees were!)...
WELL, WE DO BACK IT. IT WAS LEGAL. IT WAS CONSTITUTIONAL.
And if the South had not seceded, the practice might still be going on!
With all of your self-righteous blessings!
Beowulf
Why do I suddenly think that makes the Confederate Battle Flag a symbol of Negro Freedom? Oh, yes! The Emancipation Proclamation says it is! It was left up to the South to decide if Lincoln should free the slaves, and they said, "why, yes! Go ahead! Free away! We all want to be free, of you, and of slavery!!!"
So, the USCT were fighting for their individual freedom, but the Colored Confederates were fighting for everyone's freedom! As Nathan Bedford Forrest told his forty-some negroe slave-soldiers...
"If the yanks win, they'll free you. If we win, I shall free you, but either way, you are free men!"
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