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CS pay was raised to $16 then again. I'm not sure of the date or the final amount. However, as Gary notes, inflation reduced the purchasing power of CS currency. The North also experienced inflation, but not to the degree of the CSA.
CS pay was raised to $16, then again. I'm not sure of the date or the final amount. However, as Gary notes, inflation reduced the purchasing power of CS currency. The North also experienced inflation, but not to the degree of the CSA.
BTW, I remember reading about an incident involving two Irish, one Union and the other Confederate, who were shooting at each other from behind cover. The Union man cried out, "What are ye fighting for, Pat?" The Confederate responded, "$11 a month!" "Ha!," cried the Union man, "I'm fighting for $13 a month!"
If I didn't know that no one in my family was here at the time, I'd swear that was a couple of my relatives.
Regards,
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
You present dribbles and drabs as if they were the flood of Noah's time and frankly, I cannot detect a cloud in the sky that will give any credence to the idea that black slaves or freedmen served in ANY significant numbers with Confederate/Southern forces during the war.
No matter how many times you throw this rock into the air, it always comes back to earth. It won't fly, no matter how hard or how high you throw it.
Unionblue
I know it's a very inconvenient matter for you (considering your agenda and all) but they keep popping up...
Who was that guy that said he looked through 100 thousand ga'zillion records and found only a half dozen Black Confederates?
Well hey...found these in 20 minutes-
David Anderson (Colored)
Company: F
29th Regiment, Tennessee Infantry
Rank In: Private
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M231 roll 1
James Farley (Colored)
Company: E
25th Regiment, Tennessee Infantry
Rank In: Private
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M231 roll 14
Howson C. Fowlkes Jeffries' Company, Virginia Light Artillery (Nottoway Light Artillery) Rank In: Chief Caisson Rank In Expanded: Colored Orderly Rank Out: Private Film Number: M382 roll 20
William B. Brown Jeffries' Company, Virginia Light Artillery (Nottoway Light Artillery) Rank In: Chief Caisson Rank In Expanded: Colored Orderly Rank Out: Corporal Film Number: M382 roll 7
B.M. Muke (or Meek)
Company: G
19th Regiment, Arkansas Infantry (Dockery's)
Rank In: Colored Servant
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M376 roll 17
Solomon Smith (Negro)
Company: A
10th Regiment, Texas Infantry (Nelson's)
Rank In: Private
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M227 roll 34
Ned Dubose (Col'd)
Jeff Davis Artillery, Alabama
Rank In: Private
Film Number: M374 roll 13
George Garris
Manigault's Battalion, South Carolina Artillery
Rank In: Private
Rank Out: Col'd. Teamster
Rank Out Expanded: Chief Teamster
Film Number: M381 roll 12
Sam Linsey
Company: E
2nd Regiment, Arkansas Infantry
Rank In: Servant
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M376 roll 14
Henry McCord
Company: F
30th Regiment, Georgia Infantry
Rank In: Servant
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M226 roll 40
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Who was that guy that said he looked through 100 thousand ga'zillion records and found only a half dozen Black Confederates?
Well hey...found these in 20 minutes-
David Anderson (Colored) ...
Once again, before the Confederacy passed a law allowing negroes to be soldiers (commonly referred to in the Confederacy as the "Negro Soldier Bill" at the time), there were ONLY two possible positions a black person could hold in the Confederate Army: musician and cook.
There was no "rank" of "servant", AFAIK, but I see people on your list with a "rank in" of "servant", "Chief Caisson" and "Colored Orderly". All of those probably equate to "slave brought along by his master". Clearly, under Confederate law, they were not soldiers.
I have no doubt they were with these units, but I see no proof they were soldiers. Personally, I think it likely that a number of them became "soldiers" with a rank of "private" after the war when pensions were being established. I doubt very much they were carried on the rolls as combat soldiers during the war, because that would have been illegal under Confederate law.
Also, it would not appear that any of the men you cited would have been covered by the bill passed in March of 1865, and would not have become "soldiers" under the terms of it.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
I know it's a very inconvenient matter for you (considering your agenda and all) but they keep popping up...
Who was that guy that said he looked through 100 thousand ga'zillion records and found only a half dozen Black Confederates?
Well hey...found these in 20 minutes-
...
Solomon Smith (Negro)
Company: A
10th Regiment, Texas Infantry (Nelson's)
Rank In: Private
Rank Out: Private
Film Number: M227 roll 34
...
This would be in Granbury's Brigade. According to
McCaffrey, James M. This Band of Heroes, Austin, Texas: Eakin Press, 1985 there were 11 Afro-Americans in the Brigade. Of course, 3 of them were women described as "slave matrons". Solomon Smith is apparently listed as "miscellaneous". A man named Sam with the 7th Texas is listed as the "property of
J.S. Crawford".
Note: this is in a brigade of several regiments, which might have had 4-5,000 men during the course of the war. Subtract the three women and we have eight men, subtract the known slave and we have seven. Even assuming we should count all of them, and that this brigade was average, that gives us, say, 7/4000 for a mighty tiny percentage. Multiply that by the estimated size of the Confederate Army and tell us how many "black Confederates" we should expect to find.
Tim
__________________ "Let us, then, consider all attempts to weaken this Union, by maintaining that each state is separately and individually independent, as a species of political heresy, which can never benefit us, but may bring on us the most serious distresses."
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney of South Carolina, 1740-1824, Revolutionary War soldier, one of the authors of the US Constitution in 1787, speaking at the South Carolina Ratifying Convention in 1788.
.001% Multiply that by the 1.9 million Rebs who served in the army throughout the war (I think thats the number) and you get about 1900 blacks. WOW!
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
Please name any major battle that large numbers of Confederate black slaves participated in as soldiers, armed as such, led by Confederate officers.
Please name or produce any OR that shows large numbers of Confederate black slaves/freedmen that fought against Union forces as soldiers.
Please produce any letters, diaries, Confederate military or government reports, that show the participation of large numbers of black slaves/freedmen who fought in any battle of note.
Please produce any Union letters, diaries, military of government reports that show large numbers of Confederate black slaves/freedmen in battle against Union forces.
The rock is still lying at your feet.
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
I suspect large numbers would be a number too large to uncover. Stephen D. Lee challenged the Sons of Confederate Veterans to honor and conserve the memory of the Confederate soldier. He didn't mention race or numbers. If there was just one black Confederate soldier, at least there was one. May he, too, be remembered. I ain't saying they were right or wrong, just remembering their effort.
__________________ Ancestors in US Army: 13th TN Cav; 10th TN Cav; 3rd NC Inf
Ancestors in CSA Army: 48th VA; 63rd VA, 5th NC Cav; 37th NC
Wife and Grandson's CSA: 15th AL, 51st GA, 41st TN; 36th TN; GA Mil 1197 Dist
No one should begrudge the SCV or anyone else for that matter to honor or remember Confederate soldiers, black or white.
What gripes my cookie is the idea that because there was such a thing, not in any significant numbers, that this somehow puts the insitution of slavery in a different, softer, less harmful light.
While you and I many differ on the significance of some of the reasons some soldiers had to join the cause of secession, nothing will disfuse or detract from the primary cause of the South leaving the Union, the protection of the institution.
The idea that some would hold up these infrequent instances of black slaves or freedmen serving with Confederate forces as somehow diminishing this reason for secession is not only laughable, but completely disrespectful of historical fact and diminishes the suffering of four million souls held in bondage.
There ain't no nice way to say it, Larry, that some are not honoring or remembering these men, they are using them to promote a distortion of history and to advance a modern-day agenda. That does no honor to the men who actually served, even those of color.
And the reason large numbers cannot be uncovered through the sources I have mentioned above is that they do not exist in large numbers or they would have been produced long ago. Period.
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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