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You are forgetting that tht reason these documents don't exist is because they were destroyed by the union after the war to hide the truth! Or at least that's what a little SCV told me...
Dred, you can't possibly believe this can you? I pray that you jest. When the Union troops marched into Richmond, they found thousands of papers from the combined government offices strewn all about the city. It was hoped, by the CSA, they would be destroyed, because who wants their documents captured by the enemy? Anything that was deemed especially important was sent with Davis as he went South. However, we must assume that other documents were burned in the Richmond conflagration which was started by none other than the troops evacuating (to prevent the capture of army stores in the city) and by the residents of Richmond themselves. We have tons of documents from the Confederate government in the National Archives and elsewhere. The reason that we can't find evidence of what this thread pertains to is that it doesn't exist. Period. I have looked through books, and rolls and everytime I find a man listed as colored, they have the title of musician, or cook, or nurse, or teamster, or laborer. None are listed as soldiers. The Union troops did not voraciously burn the documents. They were under orders to capture and send to Washington anything important they found. We must assume that it is a possiblity. But if any soldiers did, it was not widespread. Much of Richmond was destroyed, and not by the Union troops. We must assume that in that fire, much was, unfortunately, lost.
__________________ "The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize." George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796
Yes, I jest. But I did see that somewehre on one of the SCV sights, I wish I could find it again so I could link it. Then again, I'm glad I can't find it. that way I can be in no way resopnsibile for perpetuating such distorted history.
__________________ "In mortal combat, a man may and will become so infuriated by the din and dangers of a bloody fight that his heart will turn to stone and his every de sire [be] for blood."
John Hadley, 7th Indiana after the battle at Port Republic
I shall offer a different view on this subject. Since it is highly evident no official records can be found stating any large number of black troops of the confederacy let's look beyond official records. Throughout the war, hundreds, thousands of men kept diaries, journals, wrote letters home. They wrote about everything! Camp life was broing. If he got out of his tent to chase a squirrel he wrote about it. Even the poor wretches in Andersonville managed to write. If any large regiment of black troops ever fought with a union force, it would have been noteworthy! Hell, to some northerners even seeing a black slave as they marched by was noteworthy enough to write home about! Also, in the south, all these journal writers and diary keepers who would have been in close contact with these men... Southerners found time to write about the black union troops they fought whynot the ones they served with? And yet there is nothing. Large bodies of black troops during this period would have elicited a comment from somebody! There would be evidence, even if it was not official.
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Yes, I jest. But I did see that somewehre on one of the SCV sights, I wish I could find it again so I could link it. Then again, I'm glad I can't find it. that way I can be in no way resopnsibile for perpetuating such distorted history.
Dred,
Whew!!! Glad to hear it. I thought you were, but the way this thread is going, one can't be too sure sometimes. And if you can find that link, send it to me if you can. I would like to read it (just to see what it says)
__________________ "The unity of government which constitutes you one people is also now dear to you. It is justly so, for it is a main pillar in the edifice of your real independence, the support of your tranquility at home, your peace abroad; of your safety; of your prosperity; of that very liberty which you so highly prize." George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796
These are utterly false statements. Would you like me to link the threads? No, I have neither the time nor the inclination and it would be a waste of bandwidth. You should recall the threads as you started two of them.
Note to fellow Southerners:
This is a what passes as a "moderator" on this forum.
I would report his post ...but where would the report go?- to the Strawman.
Your report goes to Ami & Mike, they look at it and decide if it is out of line. And yes, I have been edited by Ami before when she felt I was being unfair to someone, you in particular. Again you know this.
Ami & Mike are about as fair as you are likely to run across on ANY board... charges that they are biased one way or the other are outright lies and I'm getting sadly tired of the mud thrown their way for a service they provide that is free of charge.
Have you been censored? No, and you know it.
As I am a moderator, am I not allowed an opinion unless it agrees w/ yours? Apparently you scream about censorship only when it might apply to you. I expect nothing less. You have been asked over and over again to provide info in your own words instead of cut & pasted talking points... yet there is no change. I call a spade a spade...
As to the PM's... don't start it; I can post probably 50 of the nastiest PM's you have ever seen and they are PM's from "Real Southerners" the likes of Suwanee and at least a couple from the same people you quoted. PM's are just that Private Messages meant to be kept out of the public eye... and it speaks volumes when someone is only capable of back room messages that they don't expect to ever see the light of day. I will not post mine as it would be a waste of bandwidth and I have been asked not to do so.
Now back to the thread, you've been asked several questions and seem unwilling or unable to answer them...
If there were so many Black Confederates in the ranks why did Cleburne feel the need to author his letter?
__________________ Shane Christen
American Legion Post 352
SUVCW Camp Abernethy# 48
Lifetime NRA member
3rd MN VI
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
Battalion, 1,800 + names to go... 1st LA Native guard doesn't get a pass as they were never accepted into CS service. As there were so many Black Confederates under arms shouldn't be too hard to find the evidence and it will either be accepted, questioned or disputed. As has been said on this thread, it is time for you to put up...
__________________ Shane Christen
American Legion Post 352
SUVCW Camp Abernethy# 48
Lifetime NRA member
3rd MN VI
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
Battalion, 1,800 + names to go... 1st LA Native guard doesn't get a pass as they were never accepted into CS service. As there were so many Black Confederates under arms shouldn't be too hard to find the evidence and it will either be accepted, questioned or disputed. As has been said on this thread, it is time for you to put up...
The Louisiana Native Guard counts.
They served under Confederate command.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Would you like me to link the threads? No, I have neither the time nor the inclination and it would be a waste of bandwidth. You should recall the threads as you started two of them.
You have no links/threads other than your bogus and convoluted interpretations of my statements.
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The accusation of someone being "pro-slavery" is a common canard thrown up on every thread dealing with this subject- Black Confederates (on this forum and others).
No one has made any "pro-slavery" statement on this thread...in fact I don't recall any such statement on any thread...here or elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by js
As to the PM's... I can post probably 50 of the nastiest PM's you have ever seen and they are PM's from "Real Southerners" the likes of Suwanee and at least a couple from the same people you quoted.
Not surprised.
__________________ POWER & MONEY
"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."
Simple questions referencing the 1st LA Native Guard:
Were they paid by the CS, a State or at all? Please be specific as to when.
Were they armed or equipped by the state? If you contend they were please list the number & type of arms issued along w/ when.
Please list the battles they took part in w/ their casualties.
Please list their Brigade commander and any comments he might have made about their service.
Please list their muster in & muster out dates w/ the CS military.
If they were captured by the US military please list their parole dates & provide evidence they were paroled or sent to a US POW camp.
If there were so many you shouldn't need to include the 1st LA Native guard, who fought in no engagements and were never mustered into service.
You have been repeatedly asked to provide evidence of these phantom masses of Black CS soldiers under arms... no reply. Only cut & pastes of 3-4 at a time... a long way from even my estimated number of 1,300.
__________________ Shane Christen
American Legion Post 352
SUVCW Camp Abernethy# 48
Lifetime NRA member
3rd MN VI
For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
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