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What do you all have to say about Miscegenation? Race Mixing? The Brazilifaication of America?
I feel like we're drifting away from the Civil War here. Sure, slavery was a major part of the conflict, but speaking just for myself, I don't want to see the thread go down this particular road. It has more to do with white supremacy than the Civil War, and it's very thin ice.
Terry
__________________ "In this great struggle, this form of Government and every form of human right is endangered if our enemies succeed. There is more involved in this contest than is realized by every one." Abraham Lincoln - August 18, 1864 Speech to the 164th Ohio Regiment
That is the 25% of the population who wrote and kept records!!
So if we read about a wealth of kind acts and find numerous wills with provisions for exslaves than it could be more the norm for the owners than you wish to admit.
I have personally seen 3 wills, 1 from Tennesee, one from East Texas and one from Alabama that deal with this. 2 were not family members.
I also re-iterate that there are many published sources that detail the same types of acts. Can list some if needed. They include historical perspectives with lots of references.
I am not claiming it was all flowers and song. It was a sad moment in our history but I do stand by my convictions that for the most part there was a symbiotic relationship between many owners and slaves. That is why it is not hard to believe that OI John's ancestor meant what he said.
Texas2nd
A little aside...If we can't look at individual experiences before and after the ACW then what are we doing here? I don't see one board here that deals strictly with facts and figures.
I feel like we're drifting away from the Civil War here. Sure, slavery was a major part of the conflict, but speaking just for myself, I don't want to see the thread go down this particular road. It has more to do with white supremacy than the Civil War, and it's very thin ice.
Terry
I most certainly do not want to go down the "white supremacy" road. I beleive I said as much in my post.
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I'm not making any value judgments or statements about racial purity or the superiority/inferioriaty of either any or the other.
Miscegenation is an issue that was hotly debated at the time. Is was an issue at the forefont of the Anti-Emancipation Proclomation movement.
It may not be Politically Correct to discuss such topics in today's society, but .....
Is THAT what we're about? Being Politically Correct?
Again, I'm not making any value judgments or statements about racial purity or the superiority/inferioriaty of either any or the other race. I'm just asking what did THEY think about it?
OI John,
I think that N.O. had many practices that were different from other places in the South. I saw a Nat. Geo special that showed how in LA the slaves could buy thier freedom and that of their families and they became the managers and overseers of the plantations. This because of the influence of the Catholic Church which solidly stood against slavery.
Sadly, in most of the South, most Protestant faiths proceeded to make ongoing slavery into a pious
solution for the responsibility of buying humans sold into slavery while in the North Protestant abolitionists preached the sin of owning a human being. Go Figure.
Yes there was intermixing in families but in most of the South it was "swept under the rug". In other words, hidden but known about.
John, I'm not trying to censor you or anybody. If you'd like to discuss it, then have at it. I've already expressed my opinion on the topic.
Terry
__________________ "In this great struggle, this form of Government and every form of human right is endangered if our enemies succeed. There is more involved in this contest than is realized by every one." Abraham Lincoln - August 18, 1864 Speech to the 164th Ohio Regiment
What do you all have to say about Miscegenation? Race Mixing? The Brazilifaication of America?It's America, people from every corner of the globe.
Without a doubt, Southern Aristocrats did it. 19th Century New Orleans was reknowned for it's Quadroons, Octaroons and High Yellow negress whores. Yep, any red blooded American male will take note of a beautiful woman, white, red, black or Asian... any who say otherwise are either lieing or light in the loafers.
I'm not making any value judgments or statements about racial purity or the superiority/inferioriaty of either any or the other. I'm just asking: How do you reckon the Southern Aristocrats felt about it? How do you reckon their mixed race kids felt about it? How do you feel about it? Is your family mixed race yet? Yes, my family is mixed race; judge a man by his actions not by the color of his skin. I could give a rats patoot what Southern Aristocrats think/thought about anything. That they failed to acknowledge or do anything for their mixed race children is all I need to know about them and it speaks volumes to their integrity & "honor."
The slaveocracy was unwilling to lose the power they had; they saw no future in the US and opted for an option that would guarntee them power in perpetuity at the cost of the greater good. THe greater good being the common man; both North and South who paid for the ambition of the slaveocracy w/ their blood and treasure while the gents who started the ball rolling were busy chewing peanuts in the CS Congress while the ANV & AoT (CS) withered and died doing what they lacked the intestinal fortitude for. Btw US politicians were no better. Politicians... haven't changed since Rome and before; honesty & integrity only when it suits their purposes. Lower than used car salesmen and Lawyers IMO... and only a step above child molestors.
__________________ Shane Christen
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For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow. Eccl 1:18
Again, I'm not making any value judgments or statements about racial purity or the superiority/inferioriaty of either any or the other race. I'm just asking what did THEY think about it?
It made good press for the secessionists to screech about how the abolitionists wanted blacks to live among them as equals and (gasp) go to school with their daughters -- and worse, marry them.
Apparently, no one asked where the mulattoes, high yellas, quadroons and octoroons came from. Classic "do as I say, not as I do" elitist doodoo.
And, for whomever posted that bit, New Orleans lived by a totally different code.
Ole
__________________ I never knew a man who wished to be himself a slave. Consider if you know any good thing that no man desires for himself. A. Lincoln
In reference to your post #84 to trice, you are aware that 80% of the Southern population was literate during the years of the Civil War.
So are you implying that 75% of the population did not keep records because they could not read and write or are you implying something I have not picked up on?
Sincerely,
Unionblue
__________________ "The American people and the Government at Washington may refuse to recognize it for a time but the inexorable logic of events will force it upon them in the end; that the war now being waged in this land is a war for and against slavery." Frederick Douglass
"Loyalty to our ancestors does not include loyalty to their mistakes." George Santayana
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