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Old 05-25-2007, 01:06 AM
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You are correct in that it allowed this practice...but are woefully ignorant to believe that it was only implemented in the South.
No segregation in Boston? Chicago? Philadelphia? Detroit?...etc...etc...

Please show us the relevant laws in Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.

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Old 05-25-2007, 01:08 AM
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You know that Lincoln provoked the war. You know this.
I know that's a lie.

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Old 05-25-2007, 07:16 PM
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Please show us the relevant laws in Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc.

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Are you really claiming that laws are necessary to establish segregation?
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New York Times, 27 September 1861
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Old 05-25-2007, 07:17 PM
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I know that's a lie.

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Too bad. It's in his own words.
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"Your New-York bankers and merchants are shrewd people, but I never gave them credit for so much sagacity as when they took the Government Loan. It was not merely patriotism, it was a high stroke of policy. It has saved the Government, and what they will regard as equally important, saved them from a great financial disaster."

New York Times, 27 September 1861
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Old 05-26-2007, 11:16 AM
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Are you really claiming that laws are necessary to establish segregation?
Laws are necessary for a government to establish segregation, which is what was done in the south and what Plessy v. Ferguson, which you brought up, was about. If you want to show a parallel with the "North," then show the laws.

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Too bad. It's in his own words.
Only if one distorts his meaning.

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Old 05-26-2007, 07:43 PM
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Laws are necessary for a government to establish segregation, which is what was done in the south and what Plessy v. Ferguson, which you brought up, was about. If you want to show a parallel with the "North," then show the laws.

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Wrong again.

Laws are not necessary to establish segregation.
Local practice and government indifference are all that is needed.
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New York Times, 27 September 1861
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Wrong again.

Laws are not necessary to establish segregation.
Local practice and government indifference are all that is needed.
The North held a silent racism; the south a brutal one.
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Old 05-26-2007, 09:25 PM
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The North held a silent racism; the south a brutal one.
Detroit Race Riot 1943
http://info.detnews.com/history/stor...ategory=events

Detroit Race Riot 1967
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12th_Street_Riot

Chicago Race Riot 1919
http://www.chipublib.org/004chicago/...iots_race.html
http://www.uic.edu/orgs/kbc/ganghist...iotbegins.html


1974 Race riot in Boston due to "busing"
1971 Race riot in Brooklyn (New York City)
1969 Race riot in Hartford Connecticut
1968 Race Riot in Gary, Indiana
1968 Race riot in Cleveland, 11 including 3 cops killed
1967 Race riot in Milwaukee (4 killed)
1967 43 die in race riot in Detroit (2,000 injured)
1967 23 die in Newark race riot
1967 Blacks in Newark, riot, 26 killed, 1500 injured
1967 Race riot in Buffalo New York (200 arrested)
1967 Race riot in Cincinnati Ohio, 300 arrested
1966 Race riot in Waukegan, Illinois
1966 Race riot in Lansing, Michigan
1966 Gov Rhodes declares emergency Cleveland, race riot
1966 Race riot in Chicago
1964 Riot at Rolling Stones show in Paris (150 arrested)
1964 Race riot in Jersey City, New Jersey
1964 Race riot in Rochester, New York
1949 Riot prevents Paul Robeson from singing near Peekskill, New York
1943 Race riot in Harlem New York City
1943 Federal troops put down racial riot in Detroit 30 dead
1943 Detroit race riot kills 35
1942 Race riot, Sojourner Truth Homes, Detroit
1919 Chicago race riot, 15 whites and 23 blacks killed, 500 injured
1918 Race riot in Philadelphia (3 whites and 1 black killed)
1918 Race riot in Chester Pennsylvania (3 blacks and 2 whites killed)
1908 Race riot in Springfield Illinois
1906 3000 blacks demonstrate and riot in Phila
Source-
http://www.brainyhistory.com/topics/r/riot.html
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New York Times, 27 September 1861
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Old 05-26-2007, 11:12 PM
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Wrong again.
You are, indeed.

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Laws are not necessary to establish segregation.
Local practice and government indifference are all that is needed.
Laws are necessary for a GOVERNMENT to establish segregation. That's what the southern states did, and what Plessy v. Ferguson was all about. If you can't provide the laws, then the comparison you tried to make is as bogus as the rest of your posts. But we all knew that anyway.

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