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Old 05-02-2007, 01:45 PM
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BS! Just what do you think would've happened to them young black girls if my ancestors had "cut 'em loose"?
Maybe they would have met some young men and gotten married?

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Do you think they'd be better off? I don't.
Why not? Were they too "inferior?" Too "childlike?"


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But, that's how Lincoln and his cronies wanted it. 98% of the population fighting over 2% of the wealth.
Lincoln wasn't the one who fired on Fort Sumter.

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Old 05-02-2007, 01:51 PM
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Maybe they would have met some young men and gotten married?
Right! You bet, Cash. You bet. You're talking about the western frontier in the 1820's Cash. Them girls would've been chewed up and spit out and you know it.

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Why not? Were they too "inferior?" Too "childlike?"
This is why we ain't ever gonna get along, Cash. You've got a chip on your shouldler the size of Texas. I didn't say no such thing and take offense to you suggesting I did.

I'm tryin' sir. I'm tryin.
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Old 05-02-2007, 01:55 PM
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Right! You bet, Cash. You bet. You're talking about the western frontier in the 1820's Cash. Them girls would've been chewed up and spit out and you know it.
You said they moved there with their slaves. Why couldn't they free them before they moved?

Were there no white women on the frontier who survived? Why could they survive and not these young black women?

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This is why we ain't ever gonna get along, Cash. You've got a chip on your shouldler the size of Texas. I didn't say no such thing and take offense to you suggesting I did.
Then perhaps you can explain what you mean a little better. Why couldn't they survive being free the way any white person at the time could survive being free?

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Old 05-02-2007, 01:57 PM
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I don't want you people thinkin' I'm being hostile. I'm not!
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Old 05-02-2007, 01:58 PM
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Cash & Ozark; keep it clean and polite... so far the two of you are just skirting the edge. Let's keep it nice please.

Let's agree to disagre and call it that.
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Why couldn't they survive being free the way any white person at the time could survive being free?
Frankly, I don't think that warrants a response. Think about it, Pard. In context. Time & Place. They couldn't just, cut them gals loose.

You might could've. But I couldn't.

Duty. Honor. Loyalty. Family.

No, I couldn't.
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Old 05-02-2007, 03:38 PM
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I tend to agree with Ozark Iron John, if one did not want to own slaves, then there were two options "sell them down the river" or emancipate. I would bow to John's superior knowledge, that given the people and times, both options would have had horrific consequences to slaves, especially the women, apparently.
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Old 05-02-2007, 04:51 PM
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Frankly, I don't think that warrants a response. Think about it, Pard. In context. Time & Place. They couldn't just, cut them gals loose.

You might could've. But I couldn't.

Duty. Honor. Loyalty. Family.

No, I couldn't.

A free person can go and do what they want. There were plenty of free folks in the US at the time. What makes these people any different? Why couldn't they survive just as well as any other free person?

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Old 05-03-2007, 10:46 AM
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A free person can go and do what they want. There were plenty of free folks in the US at the time. What makes these people any different? Why couldn't they survive just as well as any other free person?
What a crock-o-crap.

You ain't ever gonna see my view.

At the risk of being crude, let me put it this way:

Out here in the country, we're always having to deal with dogs that dumbarses from town have dumped on us. Lazy bastards that aren't willing or able to take care of their own. Over the course of my life, I bet I've seen 25 or 30 of 'em. Wild. Feral. Starving to Death. I believe dogs are man's best friend, Cash. I love dogs. I could NEVER dump my dog in the country. NEVER! I could take it out back and shoot it in the head, but I could NEVER dump it in the country.

How much more do you think I value human life Cash? How much more do you think my ancesters valued them young black girls?

Way more, sir. Way more!

Ain't no way they could've "cut 'em loose to fend for themselves". Ain't no way they could've "sold 'em down the river" either.

You People need to wake up and smell the coffee. Slavery was a bad thing. All Around!

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Old 05-03-2007, 12:51 PM
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Many southern Aristocrats did (and apparently, still do) hold to the notion that they were doing their slaves a favor by keeping them slaves, as they would be incapable of surviving the disadvantages of being free.
The slave holders had one opinion about the dangers of freedom, but I wonder if the slaves might not have had a different opinion.
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