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Old 04-04-2007, 04:12 PM
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It does no such thing. That is a mischaracterization of the article.

"This falsified or fabricated photo, purporting to be of the 1st Louisiana Native Guards (Confederate), has been taken to promote Neo-Confederate views, to accuse Union propagandists of duplicity, and to show that black soldiers were involved in the armed defense of the Confederacy."

The Native Guards were armed.
A photo isn't necessary for proof.
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:21 PM
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"This falsified or fabricated photo, purporting to be of the 1st Louisiana Native Guards (Confederate), has been taken to promote Neo-Confederate views, to accuse Union propagandists of duplicity, and to show that black soldiers were involved in the armed defense of the Confederacy."

The Native Guards were armed.
A photo isn't necessary for proof.

Once again, you're mischaracterizing what it is saying.

That sentence has nothing to do with whether or not the Louisiana Native Guards were armed or not.

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Old 04-04-2007, 04:24 PM
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Battalion,

Was the photo in question that began this thread a fake or not in your opinion? Was it retouched to present a false impression or not?

And frankly, it simply does not matter if the unit in question was armed or not. The question is, was it allowed to fight for the Confederacy?

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Old 04-04-2007, 06:43 PM
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Battalion,

Was the photo in question that began this thread a fake or not in your opinion? Was it retouched to present a false impression or not?

And frankly, it simply does not matter if the unit in question was armed or not. The question is, was it allowed to fight for the Confederacy?

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Old 04-04-2007, 08:11 PM
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Battalion,

Thank you for your reply.

Another question if you please.

Did the 1st Louisiana Native Guards ever go into battle alongside Confederate troops?

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Old 04-04-2007, 08:27 PM
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Here we go again, the 1st LA Native Guards was never armed by the State of Louisiana or by the CS, it never received uniforms, rations or pay from either the state or CS govt.

They were not accepted into CS service, this is obvious. So what role did they play in the scheme of things? None; they didn't participate in any battle or campaign, they never fired their weapons (what they had were purchased by members of the unit) at any men in blue.

Where did they purchase their uniforms & arms? Privately as many miltia units did prior to the war; they were NEVER issued arms, uniforms or paid by either the CS govt or their own state govt. Those that later joined the Union Army were armed, uniformed, provided rations and paid. This is easily verifiable; records of their pay, and arms issue exist. The men of the 1st LA Native Guard would form the cadre for at least three Regiments... certainly more able service than for the CS.

I'm not certain what you're trying to prove Battalion as this has all been gone over before and been pretty conclusively proven that the 1st LA Native Guard gave no material support to the CS.
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http://people.virginia.edu/~jh3v/ret...ory/essay.html

The article seems to imply that the Native Guards (Confederate) were not armed.

This is false.

They were armed.
The article does not say that, so your statement here is wrong.

The men who formed the Louisiana Native Guard did so in the heady days of March and April 1861. There seem to have been about 1500 who were at a meeting then -- but when the units participated in parades through New Orleans in November 1861 and January 1863 there seem to have been less than 800 officers and men. They -- like all such units -- had trouble equipping themselves with arms, and they seem to have been behind the white units in the priority list. No arms that came from the Confederate government could be given to them, and Louisiana was desperately searching for weapons at the time anyway.

It is also worth noting that the Louisiana Native Guards were disbanded by the legislature of the state of Louisiana on February 15, 1862. The legislation disbanded all state Militia units, conscripted only white males into the new and existing state forces that remained after that date.

As Farragut came closer to the city and troops were sent up to the force gathering at Corinth before Shiloh, the Governor called on them to maintain their organization:
ORDERS, No. 426.] HEADQUARTERS LOUISIANA MILITIA,
Adjutant-General's Office, March 24, 1862.
I. The Governor and commander-in-chief, relying implicitly upon the loyalty of the free colored population of the city and State for the protection of their homes, their property, and for Southern rights from the pollution of a ruthless invader, and believing that the military organization which existed prior to the 15th of February, 1862, and elicited praise and respect for the patriotic motives which prompted it, should exist for and during the war, calls upon them to maintain their organization and to hold themselves prepared for such orders as may be transmitted to them.
II. The colonel commanding will report without delay to Major-General Lewis, commanding State militia.
By order of Thomas O. Moore, Governor:
M. GRIVOT,
Adjutant-General.

In the crisis conditions existing in Lousiana at that time, very few units were completely armed. Since the Native Guards had been disbanded for more than a month while the state was frantically searching for arms and equipment, it seems likely part or all of their equipment would have been taken for others.

Farragut took the city on May 1, 1862. About 300 members of the Native Guards seem to have shown up in the French Quarter, poorly armed, and surrendered along with the city. They were not called out of the city when the Confederates under Lovell declared the city a free city and retreated.

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Old 04-05-2007, 09:05 AM
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they didn't participate in any battle or campaign, they never fired their weapons at any men in blue.
What's your source for that one?
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Farragut took the city on May 1, 1862. About 300 members of the Native Guards seem to have shown up in the French Quarter

Tim
I need your source for that number- "about 300."
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Old 04-05-2007, 09:23 AM
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Battalion,

Thank you for your reply.

Another question if you please.

Did the 1st Louisiana Native Guards ever go into battle alongside Confederate troops?

Unionblue
Well, hey...that's a good question.

Did they?
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