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Old 02-16-2007, 10:48 PM
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"...likewise some of the USCT were used only as laborers or for guarding prisoners but they're still called soldiers."

Joha
"Mustered in, paid, uniformed, armed and called soldiers by their brethern... I think that pretty much identifies them as soldiers."


Ullmann's Brigade (USCT), Siege of Port Hudson

Mostly unarmed and used as laborers:

Ullmann's report, 30 June 1863

"...I have the honor to report that all the forces under my command were ordered, as I have previously informed you, by Major-General Banks to Port Hudson. They have been employed there since the first days of June in digging. They have been of great service in this respect, the officers and men often passing twenty consecutive hours in the trenches..."

1-26-1, p.609
http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-b...IF&pagenum=609


Report, 20 July 1863

"...most of Ullmann's brigade are unarmed..."

1-26-1, p.648
http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-b...IF&pagenum=648


Ullmann's complaint, 4 December 1863

"...I fear that many high officials ouside of Washington have no other intention than that these men shall be used as diggers and drudges..."

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-b...ames=1&view=50

Again you are unable or unwilling to understand the difference between a slave and a soldier. Here is a little hint; paid, clothed fed and NOT sold away as soon as they were no longer convenient. In all of your extensive research into the USCT you wouldn't have noticed when the men of Ullmans Brigade were armed would you? Becasue unlike the 1st LA NAtive Guards in CS service those men were paid by their govt, fed, clothed, equiped and armed; all of those records are available BTW as you well know. They gave good and valuable service and as usual w/ your selective picking & choosing carefully you have managed to imply that they gave no real service. The tactics of the Lost Cause are so predictable and no longer suprising.
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Old 02-16-2007, 10:53 PM
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You think the National Archives don't have any Louisiana Militia information?
That's not the question.

How did their muster rolls end up in the NA?

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And according to Dr. Hollandsworth, the state supplied arms to the white units while leaving the black unit to fend for itself. "Many men [in the Native Guards] were still without uniforms or equipment as late as January 10, 1862." [Mary F. Berry, "Negro Troops in Blue and Gray: The Louisiana Native Guards, 1861-1863," _Louisiana History,_ Vol. VIII, No. 2, Spring, 1967, p. 169]
They were armed by the state.

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You really think there was only one morning report of the unit for that entire time?
No...but only one that exists to this day.

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[the old statute specified white males also]
Nope. "After 1803 Louisiana was the only area where under the jurisdiction of the United States government where Negroes were included in the militia. Elsewhere they were excluded by federal and state law. ... After Louisiana was admitted to the Union in 1812 the first legislature authorized the continued existence of a free colored militia corps." [Ibid., p. 166]
Yep. >>>>>>>>>>
NATCHITOCHES [LA] UNION, November 7, 1861, p. 1, c. 4

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New Orleans 16, October, 1861.
Sir,
I received your letter of the 11th and hasten to answer it. The Militia Law, in the State of Louisiana, and probably in the other Southern States, is clear. All male white inhabitants from 18 to 45 years, are obliged to submit to it. The only concession made by the Governor of this State in favor of Foreigners is, to accept for the protection of the Towns and Parishes which they inhabit, and without being require to serve beyond them, all bodies or companies of men composed entirely of foreigners not naturalized. From this Law, foreigners have no way of escaping or could only do so by leaving the Country. But as in doing this, they would be obliged to abandon their interests and the property acquired here on the faith of treaties I think that by remaining and submitting forcedly to the Laws, they do not violate, in any manner, the neutrality commanded by the Government of the Emperor.
Receive, sir, the assurance of my distinguished consideration,
Count Mejan,
French Consul.
http://www.uttyler.edu/vbetts/natchitoches_union.htm

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"They were still active in February"
Not after 15 Feb.
They were active 15 Feb. through 24 March and beyond.

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More important missions were yet to come, but the confederates didn't want the Native Guards to be part of it.
You still have no document to support this.
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Old 02-16-2007, 11:00 PM
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Again you are unable or unwilling to understand the difference between a slave and a soldier. Here is a little hint; paid, clothed fed and NOT sold away as soon as they were no longer convenient. In all of your extensive research into the USCT you wouldn't have noticed when the men of Ullmans Brigade were armed would you? Becasue unlike the 1st LA NAtive Guards in CS service those men were paid by their govt, fed, clothed, equiped and armed; all of those records are available BTW as you well know. They gave good and valuable service and as usual w/ your selective picking & choosing carefully you have managed to imply that they gave no real service. The tactics of the Lost Cause are so predictable and no longer suprising.
Here you go again with your straw man arguments...

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[quote=Battalion]Here you go again with your straw man arguments...




hummm..... this ought to be interesting...
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Old 02-16-2007, 11:10 PM
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apparently you didnt get the message, the last thread was closed because it was getting heated and nasty.

this thread is being closed because of name calling.

do not open another thread on this subject. There will be consequenses.

*mutters to self, I can't believe the only hour I get to myself I have deal with this crap!*
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